thomasjones952 Ban appeal 2.0

Author	Message
thomasjones	Date sent: 2017/07/25 20:45:41 Username: thomasjones952 Why you were banned: "Conspiracy to grief spawn" is the given reason but the real reason according to luigi is "have no intentions of contributing anything positive to the community," When you were banned: A month ago exactly to the day of writing this. I still stand with my views, but yea the whole thing is over so I would like to be unbanned. Did I go a bit to far before? sure! so yea.
Woflie_	Date sent: 2017/07/25 21:02:40 Imma +1 this after reading your original appeal and I can see why you're angry. Not something to be banned for though. Good luck!
CloudyBogdan	Date sent: 2017/07/25 23:48:02 +1 We need the majestic Thomas!
alpacafarm	Date sent: 2017/07/25 23:57:39 +1 but get over the fact that Ross is mod, no one cares about it anymore besides you
Michael9999995	Date sent: 2017/07/26 01:29:16 +1
Presinus	Date sent: 2017/07/26 04:42:56 -1 Two ban appeals? Really?
Tones	Date sent: 2017/07/26 04:52:11 +1 We need this guy back, if this gets a overwhelming amount of +1's, I'm unbanning him, no questions asked!
Presinus	Date sent: 2017/07/26 04:57:07 Just don't go power crazy just because you like this guy.
Vango971	Date sent: 2017/07/26 07:56:53 I think you're a nice guy, but yeah you did go a bit overboard. +1 though.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2017/07/26 09:33:44 -1
Shindori	Date sent: 2017/07/26 09:37:47 +1
thomasjones	Date sent: 2017/07/26 11:34:28 Presinus i created a second ban appeal cause the other one was filled with a lot of negativity. Also alpaca dont worry im not going to start protesting if i get unbanned Also thanks for the +1 guys
Tones	Date sent: 2017/07/26 11:50:27 Prensius, Power crazy is the wrong term, thats wanting more power. What could I possibly benefit from having tom unbanned? He stated his opinion, a bit aggressively but i can see his reasons why.
belgnbor	Date sent: 2017/07/26 12:54:14 +1 he is a good person, he's had time to cool down, he's fun. Let him back on.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2017/07/26 14:03:41 Clearly he still has a vendetta against the server, he still stands with his views that the spawn should be griefed and the server should be closed. I doubt he has any intention of playing on the server and only wants to come back on for the purpose of griefing and causing trouble in an effort to destory the server and our community. He admits that he has no intention of contributing anything positive to the community and the last part reveals it all: "I still stand with my views, but yea the whole thing is over so I would like to be unbanned. Did I go a bit to far before? sure! so yea." ie. "I still hate the server, and since you guys are still having fun, I want to make sure it all ends. I went a bit far last time, but not far enough. Unban? Sure if you guys are that foolish! so yea.." Denied
Pheo	Date sent: 2017/07/26 16:49:56 There we go, we are getting closer to a slightly more remorseful Tom. Now abandon these views that u still "stand with" and bingo.
Michael9999995	Date sent: 2017/07/26 16:53:17 Luigi, I don't think that tom cares anymore tbh. I think that he just truly wishes to return to this server. Of course he still stands with his ideas that paying for mod is wrong, heck I stand with that too, but that doesn't mean that he wishes harm on this community. Just unban him and trust me, he'll be a better person.
Larus12345	Date sent: 2017/07/26 17:04:19 (I know you have already denied this appeal but I just want you to hear me out Luigi). Luigi, going from "I still stand with my views" and "Did I go a bit too far before? sure!" to "I still hate the server" and "I want to make sure it all ends" makes no sense. Clearly the majority of the server wants him unbanned and does that not mean anything to you? Why would he ask for an unban if he hates the server? To grief even more or to spread more negativity among the community? even if so everybody deserves a second chance don't you think Luigi? You've given other players a second chance that were more toxic and more damaging to the community and the server before. I think unbanning Tom would be the least you could repay him for spending his time helping the server as much as he has done already. (He was an Admin for christ sake, does that not convince you enough to give him another chance?) If however Tom would not stand by his word and break the rules I think he should be permanently banned from the server. I respect your authority Luigi and I know you have already denied this appeal but I have to say that I am disappointed in you.
thomasjones	Date sent: 2017/07/26 17:14:15 My views My views still stand on people NOT being able to buy staff ranks. MY VEIWS ARE NOT that the server should be closed and spawn should be griefed. Reporting the server for breaking the EULA does not shut the server down lol. Also Ive explained how griefing the spawn was a joke so many times (Except from burning the flag which is like 10 blocks to mess with armz).Also how the fuck would I grief spawn anyways its not as if I have op so I cant edit spawn. Luigi you are looking far too far with far and being far too bias. You might as well as saying that a tattoist is a nazis because the nazis tattoed the Jews.
Ruben	Date sent: 2017/07/26 17:49:02 +1 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ nothing to add to what has already been said.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2017/07/26 18:34:23 Larus12345 wrote: "Why would he ask for an unban if he hates the server? To grief even more or to spread more negativity among the community?" That's exactly why Larus. It's really sad when I think of how Tom used to be such a great staff member, how he contributed so much to the server, to now resort to this. Maybe that's part of the reason why he's become so resentful. I do think everyone deserves a second chance, but only once they've changed their ways, are no longer malicious and have apologised for their actions. Tom, mojang doesn't have time, nor care to contact server owners. For them the eula is just an excuse to shut down servers so more people can switch to using minecraft realms. Even though I keep trying to reassure myself they do, one day I fear I might wake up and the server will be gone. It doesn't even matter if you trust mojang on that, without being able to accept donations the server would have a limited lifespan with a limited quality of player experience.
Aouldrain	Date sent: 2017/07/26 21:15:03 Luigi, he wouldn't want to be unbanned just to cause more harm, I know Tom. Also, Tom did have a legitimate reason to be angry, even if he took it too far. Please reconsider your views and do whats right.
Woflie_	Date sent: 2017/07/26 21:24:23 Luigi, honestly it sounds more like Tom is willing to push his own feelings aside for the good of the community, not some desire to cause more harm.
Tones	Date sent: 2017/07/26 23:17:30 Don't hate me for this, but, you look it a little out of context there luigi, Tom's views were on Ross' donation to mod, not on the server while he loves the server, i was in a vc last night and he brought it up, i had a look back to see you denied and was shocked that it was taken out of context. Tom is willingly wanting to come back and to put his feelings to the mod donation thing aside, I'd say we at least give him the chance to redeem himself. As he's a donator now, what harm can he do? yeah he burnt down the flag, solution: remove smite.
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2017/07/26 23:24:51 He joined with a new IP and username, he has contributed to the community under his new name and has not griefed or caused any upset. Not that this appeal really has much point. I still think he should be reconsidered. He's proved himself to me.
Woflie_	Date sent: 2017/07/27 00:18:25 Chip's words say it all...
Presinus	Date sent: 2017/07/27 02:45:42 I'm on Luigi's side for this one.
Puff30826	Date sent: 2017/07/27 04:11:39 +1 Luigi needs to lighten up. He's making it seem like Tom's a serial killer terrorist. What more can he do? Even if he does do something, just ban him again. It ain't that hard.
Aouldrain	Date sent: 2017/07/27 05:10:55 Luigi, he's not saraku.
Presinus	Date sent: 2017/07/27 05:29:11 Tom gets unbanned. Tom knows not to say anything stupid. Time goes on and Tom settles in to the community. Tom is now comfortable with speaking his mind. Tom gets cocky, and attempts to start a boycott, riot, revolution, etc. Tom gets banned. Tom makes a ban appeal. So many arguments later, Tom is forgiven and unbanned. History repeats unless broken.
Tones	Date sent: 2017/07/27 07:59:58 History doesn't always repeat itself, That'll happen if someones stupid enough to make the same mistakes, which Tom is not idiotic enough to repeat his mistakes.
Aouldrain	Date sent: 2017/07/27 08:13:50 Presinus, you can't always picture things in patterns, even though they're everywhere. Humans aren't THAT stupid.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2017/07/27 08:33:57 The problem is he doesn't see his actions as mistakes, which means he's doomed to repeat them.
thomasjones	Date sent: 2017/07/27 09:57:12 Speaking out againts you wasnt a mistake. However how i approached the situation and how far i took it was.Also even if I dont (hypothetically) I wouldnt repeat it as I know Im going to be screwed if i do.
Michael9999995	Date sent: 2017/07/27 11:10:43 Luigi, just give him another chance dood. He pretty much apologized in his appeal by saying "did I go too far? Sure!" He wants to be forgiven and start over. Surely you've made a mistake and hoped to be forgiven too?
Presinus	Date sent: 2017/07/27 14:50:14 I'm visually impaired, yet it seems I was the only one who saw the "DENIED"
Puff30826	Date sent: 2017/07/27 15:00:42 Luigi, even so, all you have to do is ban him again if he messes up. Is that too hard? It literally takes a few seconds to type in the command. I don't understand your mindset when it comes to unbans. You unban hackers after less than a week and players that the community -1 their appeals to no end (No, offence Brooke), but a player that has been on the server for years and was a freaking admin doesn't get a second chance? That's just stupid. It seems like it doesn't matter how many +1s or -1s a player gets, it ultimately comes down to if Luigi likes you.
Ruben	Date sent: 2017/07/27 15:19:12 ^ Pretty much.
Shindori	Date sent: 2017/07/27 16:10:28 Welcome to Webbcraft, with the most dense owner I've ever seen 🎉
Michael9999995	Date sent: 2017/07/27 21:05:41 Puff has a point. Minoi, choi boi, and Brooke are currently unbanned. But a former admin that has given so much time to the server doesn't get a second chance? Really?
ckvoss	Date sent: 2017/07/27 21:11:58 -1 You're Ruben the second. Constantly joining with new alts and new ips. Like luigi said, you don't know your mistakes and you aren't accountable of your actions. Just stay out. Be accountable for your actions and stay banned and stop bypassing. You gain nothing except the fact that all of your friends are slowly more and more not liking you. Like me.
thomasjones	Date sent: 2017/07/27 21:19:45 Ck stop sucking up to luigi,You know what my alt was for days but you only banned my alt when luigi was on? Sucking up much? I wasnt causing any harm and was controbuting to the server in a possitive way but you stopped so you could get in luigis good books. I enjoy being on the server thats why Im comming on with alts. I have a pratically unlimited number of alts and the same amount of ips. "Just stay out. Be accountable for your actions and stay banned and stop bypassing. You gain nothing except the fact that all of your friends are slowly more and more not liking you. Like me." You know what banning me has taught me? who my real friends are.Im betting that you were sucking up to we wernt you to get staff.
Irk_Cipher	Date sent: 2017/07/27 21:48:46 I've said it before, I'll say it again: It's dog-eat-dog and there's no such thing as friends.
waffles388	Date sent: 2017/07/27 22:50:47 +1 I read through the app and mostly everyone here seems to want you unbanned #joiningtheunbanparteh
Aouldrain	Date sent: 2017/07/28 00:26:50 +1 You are different ck.
CCShad Moderator	Date sent: 2017/07/28 00:59:44 No. -1 for now purely because of ban evading. As a former staff member you should very well know that won't get you unbanned. You're a cool guy and all but now you're only digging your hole deeper.
Ruben	Date sent: 2017/07/28 01:39:10 CK's getting a bit power angry x) just don't forget your humanly traits when you get to judge people...
ckvoss	Date sent: 2017/07/28 12:45:43 It's not sucking up to Luigi. Chip didn't ban you. I didn't know why, so I talked to luigi about it, he said don't ban until i'm 100% sure it's you. So on skype i told him another thing that proves your alt, and he said go ahead and ban. You're a cool guy and all but now you're only digging your hole deeper. I completely agree. It's not sucking up to luigi. It's not being biased.. I'm treating you like any other Donator+ who got banned and is bypassing his bans. Of course i'm a little different. I have to be now that i'm Admin. I need to be more strict, be more of a leader. That's why I was promoted, that's why ANYONE gets promoted to Admin. You should know that too since you were Admin. The only thing different with me is i put myself out there and say my side of the story / how i feel about it and i explain why. Other staff might not. And when I say my side of the story this crap happens to me.
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2017/07/28 14:00:32 In reply to Puff: My Judgement tells me that Luigi is afraid of tom doing another Saraku move. Saraku, a very trusted staff member, boycotted the server 3 years ago, and convinced a large amount of people that luigi was a bad owner and so they should all leave for somewhere else (Saraco). Tom, a very trusted staff member, boycotted the server, and convinced a lot of people that luigi was a bad owner and they should all leave for somewhere else. IMO luigi is simply looking out for the server. A lot of people supported Saraku and what he stood for. just like people are supporting tom. However, we now look back at Saraku as an awful person with awful actions. It's only a matter of time until people rethink and view tom as bad too. you should really stop shitting on luigi.
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2017/07/28 14:07:17 I told tom to make this appeal, to prove that he was sorry and could possibly get unbanned. i believe in second chances, everyone should be granted one if they prove that they are remorseful for their actions. However, Tom's actions have been ridiculous. He's literally trying to rip the server apart because he accepted ross' money. Ross has turned out as a great staff member and the server has more money to be open for many more months. Ross, Myself, and Luigi have all made actions which have now enabled the server to be here even longer. Tom's actions recently are doing the exact opposite. You had a shot to rethink and apologse. you've really lost yourself tom.
thomasjones	Date sent: 2017/07/28 15:34:38 "Ross has turned out as a great staff member and the server has more money to be open for many more months." Ross has wrongly banned people for x-ray when they clearly haven't. Ross has been caught hacking whiles being a staff member and has been known not to do his staffing dutys. Yes Ross money will pay for the server for almost a year, the thing is that Luigi doesnt need that money. how many Architect have their been? atleast 20? thats enough money to pay for the server for the server for atleast 8 years if none of that money has been touched. Stop making it sound like the server is desperate for donations ,to make me look bad, when its not. "Tom, a very trusted staff member, boycotted the server, and convinced a lot of people that luigi was a bad owner and they should all leave for somewhere else." Lets just talk about the last bit were you say that I convinced a lot of people to leave for somewere else. That is a blantant lie. I have never told anyone or suggested that people should go to a diffrent server. Also comparing me to Saraku is pretty wrong considering that mine and Saraku motives and objectives are completly diffrent. From reading what you have just said I feel that you have massivly misunderstood my motives.So lets go through everything that happend and I explained why it happend. Chip_Bruh recieves $100 dollars off Ross and promotes Ross to Trial Mod The whole server starts kicking off about it I step down from staff As you know Chip I stepped down because of our agreement that I would stand in as staff until another staff member is promoted (because there was only Armz and Chip covering the whole of the EU time zones). Even if I could of stayed as staff I would of resigned anyways. I threatened to do it if Asriel got Co-Owner and I would of done it with Ross paying for Mod. To be honest allowing people to pay their way to staff is a insult to every single staff member who earned their rank, who was trusted and well liked by the community and had shown dedication to the server. Then you let someone (I didnt even know who Ross was when he got promoted) just walk onto the server and pay $100 and get mod. IMO staff represent Trust, dedication and knowledge of the community. Letting someone pay their way to staff undermines that. Ross gets demoted temporally and Luigi repromoted Ross Server still kicking off I create a post about a server boycott The protest wasn't even my idea lmao. I just organised to protect another player (I wonder if they would be banned right now if they organised it instead?).Anyways I organised the "Boycott". The idea was that if we got enough player to take part then Luigi would realise that he cant just go and ignore the whole server and hope it would calm down and everyone to forget about it. Luigi comes on the server Me and other players try to talk to Luigi in a calm manner and try to convince him and show him what the server thinks about the whole thing. ect.Luigi doesnt take us on and just makes exuses like [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] **Mushroom <[Owner] luigiofthebakery> they would have gotten trial-mod anyway (Ross has never made a Mod application). Then there is the thing were luigi literally tries to bribe me. more logs of the conversation http://webbcraft.co.uk/forum/read_topic.php?id=7279 Also before I sum this bit up just another snippet of the logs [19:50:51] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Head Admin] Chip_Bruh] What I want from this is to stop people buying Trial Mod and listen to us guys first Thats just to prove my motives I get banned a few time and then perma banned You can see why in my first ban appeal. My final ban reason is "Conspiricy to grief spawn" but luigi then says that its not the real reason with "The reason you were banned was because you clearly have no intentions of contributing anything positive to the community" When I got perma banned I felt that I had been treated highly unfairly and unjustly. So I dicided that I would show what Luigi is really like.You can see it all on my first ban appeal. Then at the end I suggested CONCLUSION I think its very safe to say that Luigi doesn't run the server because he enjoys playing minecraft but because he makes money out of it and will do anything he can to stop people.My suggestion is that luigi should step down from being owner to Co-Owner and Armzngunz or Chip becomes the Owner. There you go Ive never tried to tear the server apart and Ive never tried to drive people away from the server.
Vango971	Date sent: 2017/07/28 16:41:14 Thought I'd done this already +1
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2017/07/28 18:11:13 Tom, I run the server so that other people can have fun on it. You have no idea how much time and effort I have put into maintaining the server. Once again you've shown just how rude and ungrateful you are. I don't run the server so I can get hate from players like you who want nothing more than to harm the server. In fact, I would have already quit if I didn't care so much about the server and the people who play on it. The reason you were banned was a conspiracy to grief spawn, which is the same as trying to destroy the server, which is the same as trying to get the server closed by reporting it to mojang, which is the same as trying to destroy the community, which is obviously not contributing anything positive to the community. Like I said before, to me Ross donating such an amount of money proves just how much he cared about the server and how dedicated he was to keeping the server online. He would have been promoted anyway because I would have seen his dedication to the server over time. Over the past month he has proven himself to be a great staff member, which proves my point, so you have no grounds to continue your petty argument that ross should be demoted, or that I run the server to make money. I could understand if you didn't agree with Ross being trial mod initially, a lot of people were sceptical, however what I will not stand for is you going out of your way to try and ruin the server for others because of this, especially now that Ross has proven himself to be a valuable member of the community. You claim to not be harming the server, why then do you not want me to accept donations? Who are you to tell people how they should spend their money if they enjoy playing on the server and want to support it? Why then did you attempt to grief spawn? Why then are you even now plotting to hack into my account and others? These things are contradictions. You've been bypassing ban with alt accounts and I'm sure have been doing everything you can to grief and harass other players. You can make up all the excuses you want, but I see your ruse for what it is.
thomasjones	Date sent: 2017/07/28 18:48:07 "The reason you were banned was a conspiracy to grief spawn" Ive already explained here: "same as trying to get the server closed by reporting it to mojang" Ive already explained and shown that reporting the server to Mojang doesnt get the server shut down. Also I am one in many people who did this. "Like I said before, to me Ross donating such an amount of money proves just how much he cared about the server and how dedicated he was to keeping the server online." Or he is wealthy (from what I've heard he is) and can easily throw away that money. "He would have been promoted anyway because I would have seen his dedication to the server over time." He has never made a mod app so please explain that one . "Over the past month he has proven himself to be a great staff member," As a staff member he has; hacked himself , falsey banned players who were clearly not hacking,abused creative (Some default got a OP sword from him) and has placed a ip at a public warp which could lead someone to get hacked. And from what Im hearing you have given your senior staff members to demote Ross if he messes up again. " why then do you not want me to accept donations?" I honestly do accept you recieveing donations from Vip+, Donator+ and architect but I dont accept someone paying their way to a staff rank. "Why then did you attempt to grief spawn?" burning the flag down with Armz having a laugh isnt harming the server, but he did take it the wrong way and banned me...opps "Why then are you even now plotting to hack into my account and others" hahahahahahaha. Im really not plotting to hack your account or other peoples account. I bet this is because you are paranoid that some sort of Im Saraku V2 and you are paranoid that im going to hack you or something to bring the server down xD. Thats honestly hilarious that you would think that(and pretty sad). "You've been bypassing ban with alt accounts and I'm sure have been doing everything you can to grief and harass other players." Yea I've been bypassing my ban. But guess what. I havent been harrassing people and i defo havent been griefing.In fact I've been a good little boy and been keeping my head down. You should really stop with the blantant lies and stop presuming that everyone who will stand against you is Saraku V2
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2017/07/28 19:31:52 Hmm I find that hard to believe. You should stop with the blatant lies. I don't presume things from nothing, I'm interpreting facts based on evidence.
Puff30826	Date sent: 2017/07/28 19:36:17 Find what hard to believe, Luigi? He listed a lot of things, and everything he said is true.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2017/07/28 19:41:07 How do you know that? I think he has been griefing or harassing players, and I think he is plotting something. Also I don't believe mojang contacts server owners. They just blacklist servers whenever they get around to it, and I worry that each day could be the last for this server because of what Tom has done. I don't believe the money Ross donated to the server was thrown away.
Puff30826	Date sent: 2017/07/28 19:46:25 So you only think? I thought you said you were "interpreting facts based on evidence". If you only "think" he is doing what you're accusing him of then how is that factual and evidence? You haven't posted any evidence against him, yet Tom has posted a lot of stuff to back up his claims. It wasn't just Tom that reported the server. Multiple people did, and there's a good reason for it. You're breaking the EULA when you sell staff ranks. Also, if you don't think you did anything wrong, then why are you worried that Mojang will take down the server? If you truly aren't doing anything wrong you should have nothing to worry about.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2017/07/28 19:54:16 My evidence is Tom's actions. Sure I could be wrong about his motives but I doubt it. The facts are what tom has done, based on the evidence recorded on the forums and on the server. I have other evidence too but it's confidential. What I write is of course only my interpretation of it. What tom writes is his interpretation. These are just opinions.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2017/07/28 19:55:50 I don't think mojang cares whether I did anything wrong or not. They just want to close servers so more people can switch to using minecraft realms and they can get paid more. Of course I haven't done anything wrong and I don't sell staff ranks.
thomasjones	Date sent: 2017/07/28 19:56:51 About what Luigi said before about the EULA "Tom, mojang doesn't have time, nor care to contact server owners. For them the eula is just an excuse to shut down servers so more people can switch to using minecraft realms" I actually decided to lookup what the maxium amount of players a minecraft realm can have on and it turn out that its a maxium of 10 on at a time and only 20 people can be invited. Luigi why do you think its a excuse to convert people to Realms when the maximum amount of players is 10 and this server averages atleast 20 players maybe hight and we have had over 100,000 diffrent players who have joined the server. Proof that Realms can only have 10 players on at a time and 20 diffrent players can be invited. https://en.softonic.com/articles/minecraft-realms-vs-minecraft-servers
thomasjones	Date sent: 2017/07/28 20:01:47 Also about my motives, Luigi you cant deny what my motives are. Ive even shown evidence from over a month ago, in a private message to Chip explaining my motives, this was before I was banned.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2017/07/28 20:06:05 There must be an ulterior motive for you to have gone to the lengths you have.
Puff30826	Date sent: 2017/07/28 20:14:20 But... You gave Ross Mod for $100. Pretty sure that counts as selling staff ranks. About Tom's actions, all he really did was burn a flag (as a joke), and tell people to not get on for 24 hours. He never told them to leave the server forever and go somewhere else. He just wanted to prove a point to you that people were not happy with you giving mod away for money. He has no intentions of shutting the server down, as he has stated multiple times. He also has no intention for you to stop accepting donations. All he is saying is that donating for staff is wrong and shouldn't be done. I agree with that. How would you feel if you played on a server for years and worked your way to mod, but then this guy just joins the server and donates $100 for staff? Also, about this all being a point of opinion. You say you are using facts, yet you say it's your opinion. Opinions are not facts. You can't say that what you say is fact if it is just your opinion.
Puff30826	Date sent: 2017/07/28 20:21:34 Luigi, you're sounding like a paranoid guy that has a conspiracy theory against Tom. It's kinda funny actually.
thomasjones	Date sent: 2017/07/28 20:21:48 it was $150 Puff. Also same Puff xD I don't Luigi, I just feel really strongly about this.
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2017/07/28 20:42:26 actually puff is right, it was 100$. But if you really want the exact amount, it was £76.33.
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2017/07/28 20:44:19
thomasjones	Date sent: 2017/07/28 21:04:29 Ah right Ive always been told it was $150..opps *Goes and change everytime Ive said $150 to $100*
Aouldrain	Date sent: 2017/07/28 21:07:07 You are being somewhat paranoid Luigi.
Shindori	Date sent: 2017/07/28 21:57:26 What Aouldrain said, you're going a bit far there Daniel :/ I think I can speak for Thomas when I say this, because I'm with him in this whole thing; When we heard about Ross donating his way into staff we got quite frustrated because it was just an insult to the people who are fit for a staff position on here, or those staff who have supported the server for years. I have no idea where you got the idea that we wanted people to go play elsewhere, we only wanted people to not come on for a day. We did that "Boycott" for a day to send a message and to make sure you'd actually listen to your community for once, something you rarely seem to do. In no way Tom would do any harm to the server, he just wants you to listen. Yet here you come, accusing him of things he's "plotting to do". You're just going nuts now man, calm the fuck down.
thomasjones	Date sent: 2017/07/28 22:37:54 You nailed it Shin
Michael9999995	Date sent: 2017/07/28 23:14:29 Dear mr.ofthebakery, It's me, miek. I've been on this server since April 5th 2016. From that time up until a few months ago, I've been trying to gain moderator status on this wonderful server. I have been striving for staff for over a year! I believe that I have proven myself too. I made the olympics, contributed to the economy, made a huge faction, and made the UFW. I even vote for the server every week. Now, when I saw some random person show up and pay some cash to get mod, of course I, like everyone else, got upset. See luigi? This isn't right! People that have proven themselves should be the staff members. Not people that show up and pay. This is why Thomas got upset. He isnt going against you in any way, he just wants you to listen to the people in this server. Please do the right thing, and unban tom. He did nothing wrong... Thank you, Sincerely, Michael9999995
Presinus	Date sent: 2017/07/29 02:38:15 DENIED
Puff30826	Date sent: 2017/07/29 03:27:27 Presinus, I know it's been denied, but the reason for it's denial is stupid and we have the right to continue commenting on here. Tom has done nothing perm ban worthy and deserves to be unbanned. Luigi is just paranoid that Tom will do something even though all he has to do is re-ban him if he does do something. Like really, what can Tom do? He isn't admin anymore, so he literally can't do anything to harm the server. If he did want to do something to harm the server (Which he doesn't and never wanted to in the first place) then the only thing he could do is just set up another boycott on the forums.
Presinus	Date sent: 2017/07/29 06:03:53 Boycott setups, attempt to discourage new players from staying on the server, the little things that could make a big difference. Luigi knows what he's doing.
Puff30826	Date sent: 2017/07/29 06:08:52 The boycott was never meant to make players leave forever. It was a 24 hour boycott to show Luigi what his players thought of his decision to sell a staff rank. Never did it say that they should leave forever. Also, I'll say it again, unban Tom, and IF he does do something again just re-ban him. Easy as that. He hasn't even done anything perm ban worthy in the first place and he deserves a second chance.
Presinus	Date sent: 2017/07/29 06:13:14 I think you read that a bit too fast. I meant the boycott and the discouragement as two separate articles.
Puff30826	Date sent: 2017/07/29 06:16:13 Oh, ok, sorry about that. That's the one thing that Tom did that I don't agree with. The discouraging new players, not the Boycott.
Shindori	Date sent: 2017/07/29 09:04:43 And saying you never sold staff ranks is just plain bullshit. You sold a staff rank to JesseShee before, and now you sold one to Ross. Stop trying to cover that up by saying "hurr durr they donated for it and received it as a thanks", it's just selling ranks man.
thomasjones	Date sent: 2017/07/29 11:07:45 I did say that we would kill defaults to wind up Chip cause he said "in fact it's more likely that new players will stay because there wont be a toxic community that would otherwise drive them away from the server. we should probably thank you.." But I never actually did it. So I never discouraged new players from staying
Puff30826	Date sent: 2017/07/29 19:25:22 So are we going to get another response from Luigi actually explaining why Tom should stay banned? I want some actual evidence against him, not just Luigi having a conspiracy that he has some ulterior evil motive to destroy the server.
Aouldrain	Date sent: 2017/07/29 21:21:45 No, as Luigi won't have anything to say that will solidify his position as correct, so he'll ignore the post.
thomasjones	Date sent: 2017/07/29 22:35:24 Here is my proposition to luigi, Considering Im having my summer holiday right now so it will be easier to do this, my suggestion is that Luigi messages me on the forums and we arrange a voice call on skype or discord and come to a mutral understanding and maybe even a agreement and maybe Luigi will see that Im not Saraku V2.
Gilgamesh8	Date sent: 2017/07/29 23:12:36 I've talked with Tom and I think his heart is in the right place. I think if Luigi will have a talk in person with him that they can understand each other better.
Shindori	Date sent: 2017/07/30 08:40:14
Aouldrain	Date sent: 2017/07/30 14:17:53 I think Shin is the ultimate mastermind behind the server. This is all a plan for his amusement.
Larus12345	Date sent: 2017/07/30 14:40:47 I agree with what Aouldrain said.
Presinus	Date sent: 2017/07/30 16:00:34 I'd like to point out Ross bought trial-mod, not mod. If he proven unfit for mod he would've been demoted back to his non-staff donator rank.
thomasjones	Date sent: 2017/07/30 16:10:51 Mod and Trial -Mod is the same rank with a diffrent prefix.
Presinus	Date sent: 2017/07/31 02:53:23 Either way, if he was proven unfit, he would have been demoted to his non-staff donator rank. Same way everyone else becomes mod, just with money speeding up the process rather than people's opinions.
thomasjones	Date sent: 2017/07/31 03:34:21 Ross has done multiple things such as hack,abused creative,wrongly banned people and put a ip at a very public warp and he is still staff. So i feel that your first point is invalid. And for your second point, is wrong because Ross wouldnt of got mod cause he never made a mod app and no matter what luigi says ross wouldnt of got Mod because of it and I have never know in the 3 years ive been on this server for someone to get earn mod without a mod app.
Matodir	Date sent: 2017/07/31 07:23:11 Presinus leave. You complain against everything. You can't talk for crap as you keep changing your views every time you reply on anything. Leave. Now to luigi, I'm not complaining about your efforts to protect the server, none of that. I'm just disagreeing with their intentions. At first you were on point with valid facts. Then from that post where you denied onwards you started using exaggerated, twisted or plainly invalid facts. Now don't copy and paste this and twist it like how you did with tom's sentence in the appeal. You have concrete proof of how tom changed. Chip told us that he joined under a new username and IP. Did he cause any harm? No, if he did Chip would've instantly banned him. You have Chip's word, if you don't care about the community's, you have Chip's. I am only suggesting that you reconsider about denying Tom. He's a good guy now.
Presinus	Date sent: 2017/07/31 08:38:34 Changing views is is a part of growing, mate. And no, I don't complain about everything. I am one of few who agreed selling trial-mod was a justifiable action.
Matodir	Date sent: 2017/07/31 11:52:00 Changing views is a part of growing indeed. However changing views after every reply to the side that you feel is winning isn't.
Presinus	Date sent: 2017/07/31 16:25:48 I never saw my side of any argument as winning.
thomasjones	Date sent: 2017/07/31 19:58:48 Btw dont blame me when defaults come on and gets banned for hacking or spamming is not me.
NicNac	Date sent: 2017/08/01 03:49:05 I was really rude to Tom to be comepletely hones't because I thought Tom was eventually going to cause some sort of stupid uprising but apparently that's not happening any more. I'm going to abstain for now but Tom if you could like just put it behind you completely I'll +1.
ExplosivePotato_	Date sent: 2017/08/01 12:06:18 +1
Zombie2534	Date sent: 2017/08/01 13:49:03 +1 that is not rlly a good reason too be banned.
Presinus	Date sent: 2017/08/01 16:12:50 @Zombie2534: You think burning down Proxima wasn't a good reason to be banned.
thomasjones	Date sent: 2017/08/01 16:42:44 Presinus he means that MY REASON for being banned isnt a good reason.
thomasjones	Date sent: 2017/08/01 16:42:45 Presinus he means that MY REASON for being banned isnt a good reason.
Presinus	Date sent: 2017/08/02 03:22:27 And I mean HE doesn't know what a good reason to be banned is. He thinks burning down Proxima wasn't a good reason for HIM to be banned. So I stress the point that he wouldn't know what a good reason to be banned was, though he tries to evaluate your ban.
Aouldrain	Date sent: 2017/08/02 04:38:46 Even though toms reason isn't a good reason to be perma-banned. Temp-banned, maybe.
thomasjones	Date sent: 2017/08/03 15:59:19 Bomp
ThebrookeWalker	Date sent: 2017/08/06 19:03:31 Abstain Explanation on why: This is something that I believe is just breaking this community apart. I honestly don't even understand what this place is anymore. I myself feel like this whole appeal is asinine, but proves a point. You have to see the difference, that your eyes shall show you. Now, Tom, we've been friends for a bit. Well, at least I believe so. But I think, I owe you an apology. For how selfish and naive I was back then, everyone knows what I am speaking of. I think you still haven't had time to think about this, but I also think a month is, pretty long for something like this. I never really understood what owning a community this big feels like. It must be stressful, but also makes you proud of yourself. Am I correct? I do not know much about this incident, but it seems a bit tragic. I mean, we're all here to have fun right? It was all jokes and laughs... But I think some of that has been taken away during the future. We all we're so nice to one another, but now I see the opposite. This appeal shows that as an example. We as a community is falling apart. But we can't quite grasp the solution to fix this problem. I know, it might say Denied which was stated by Luigi. If we continue things like this, it will make us look foolish towards other communities. Nobody wants that, unless they have hatred towards us. Which, I do not believe Tom should have such feelings, but of course I would need proof to know who's guilty to share my own vote. There's people out there who wish they had a strong community like this. But if you're going to ruin that, then what's the point? Me, personally, wouldn't want to own a community like this. Making me get hit the hardest, because of all the stress and time. All that just to make an ass out of yourself? Pathetic. I'm just ashamed of everyone, including myself as well. I just want everyone to understand this will hit us in the future if it continues. What happened to the past?
thomasjones	Date sent: 2017/08/11 14:27:34 bump
Aouldrain	Date sent: 2017/08/14 18:35:08 bump
OfficalMinoi	Date sent: 2017/08/14 23:43:08 bump
OfficalMinoi	Date sent: 2017/08/14 23:43:15 bump
Presinus	Date sent: 2017/08/15 02:40:36 DENIED
thomasjones	Date sent: 2017/08/15 07:57:54 But no real staff have denied this.
Presinus	Date sent: 2017/08/15 08:04:57 Lol Ruminisque
JT84	Date sent: 2017/08/15 16:56:11 +1 Thomas is a pretty cool guy and quite in the chat most of the time which I think we can all appreciate. He deserves a second chance and for the record he was a very nice staff person.
thomasjones	Date sent: 2017/08/20 00:02:16 Thanks JT
pr1tce	Date sent: 2017/08/24 23:24:02 +1 freaking amazing dude and deserves a second chance
Ruminisque	Date sent: 2017/09/08 15:33:37 -1 he is a bad man. Or is that bat man?
thomasjones	Date sent: 2017/09/11 18:43:03 Im batman...but dont tell anyone
Ruminisque	Date sent: 2017/11/14 16:01:16 Ok.
Dynasty_Games	Date sent: 2017/11/26 11:17:33 I’m sorry, but since when did Presinus become a staff member, because a They’re acting like they’re the bleeding co-owner of late
OfficalMinoi	Date sent: 2017/11/26 15:36:31 Dynasty_Games Presinus thinks he has authority. Just ignore him.

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