My Bud Over There

Author	Message
Presinus	Date sent: 2018/04/09 11:25:56 Loved by the entire community, a player makes a mod app. The mod app is buzzing with a record number of upvotes, and not a downvote in sight. The player is accepted into the staff team, and does a great job while there. One day, the beloved player accidentally leaves some cheats on with no malicious intent in mind. BOOM! Instant demotion. No questions asked. Of course, everyone was pissed, including my bud over there. Anyway, some actions later, they got banned, unbanned, and all of the money they donated in support of the server was forgotten. Still without malicious intent, they are treated like evil. Please Luigi, it would do us all good if you just gave Pheo the rank he paid for.
thomasjones	Date sent: 2018/04/09 17:46:59 Amen
Pheonix2000ad	Date sent: 2018/04/09 19:02:44 I feel so fuzzy that you chose to take ur time to post this lol. But seriously, you wonder why people turn toxic, but in some cases it’s because some of you treat people like shit then get triggered when they treat you the same way back. Any actions ive taken however uncalled for has been due to the server fucking me over.
Mr_Black_Is_Back	Date sent: 2018/04/09 19:07:23 +1, even though my opinion doesn't matter
Ruben	Date sent: 2018/04/09 19:25:51 I want me money back too brah +1
Michael9999995	Date sent: 2018/04/10 02:59:09 At this point, it's pointless. Kinda like how donators got cheated out of creative. But for what it's worth...+1
Tye	Date sent: 2018/04/10 18:32:13 +1 You could AT LEAST refund him his money back, instead of revoking his rank, and not rewarding him with the $70 he paid.
alpacafarm	Date sent: 2018/04/11 06:28:46 I think after what pheo did warrants a demote, and this isnt the first time something like this has happened. He literally tried to kill the server. On the other hand, why even unban him in the first place if his ban isn’t going to be completely forgiven? It seems like its routine to just unban a player if they admit to what they’ve done. It should be harder than that.
alpacafarm	Date sent: 2018/04/11 06:29:37 I see both sides and I’m leanimg towards pheos.
elliedlm	Date sent: 2018/04/11 16:22:15 +1 He didn't even get the rank so therefore he basically got scammed. You can label it as a donation all you like but you know that it is a purchase. Either give Pheo the rank or give him a refund. Simple as that.
elliedlm	Date sent: 2018/04/11 16:23:58 The fact that so many people complain about the donation system should tip you off. It's not a fair one. If someone donates and doesn't get the rank they deserve their money back no matter what. I don't care if theyre banned or unbanned its still a scam. Youre just robbing people out of money and calling it a donation so you dont have to give it back. This applies to everytime this has happened and im sick of people complaining about it. Its clearly not working so fix it.
elliedlm	Date sent: 2018/04/11 16:29:29 If i am ever to donate Im gonna make it damn sure its a PURCHASE not a donation. Its a financial transaction not a donation. You all say that wonesnco leaving and getting banned is the downfall of the server. When really its Luigi.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2018/04/12 13:36:52 The donation system is very fair. You get to keep the rank indefinitely so long as you follow the rules, whereas for some servers it expires after a few months. If you break the rules, you lose your rank, simple as that. I'm sure I don't have to explain why players shouldn't have to put up with abusive donators on the server. Sometimes you even have the possibility of earning it back after you lose it. Pheo made use of his rank for 4 months while he was staff and afterwards. Like alpacafarm said, due to his own malicious intentions and choices, he lost his rank and was banned. Yes he was unbanned, but that doesn't mean full trust in him is restored instantly. Trust must be gradually earned back. Refunds are only given if requested for mistaken transactions within a period of about 7 days where the user changes their mind and has not made any use of the rank. Even if this was a purchase, that would be a fair refund policy. However, refunds for transactions that occurred months or years ago are completely absurd. For example, would you go into a shop and buy something, use it extensively for 4 months, then go back to the shop and expect to get a refund? Of course not. If you deliberately or carelessly damage an item so that it's no longer functioning, do you think the store will give you a refund? Warranties only cover damage on the part of the manufacturer, or breakdowns from normal use, and even then they only offer replacements, so no. Usually, a shop will only give you a refund if the item is returned unopened in its original packaging. Donations to the server are donations, there is no warranty, and I don't have to give any refunds, like most servers do. But I understand that mistakes can happen, so refunds have been given in some circumstances. Much like any piece of equipment you might buy at a shop, a donator rank has a lifespan. The maximum lifespan is the lifetime of the server. If you treat it well, it'll reach this lifespan. However, through misuse and abuse, you can end up shortening its lifespan.
Pheonix2000ad	Date sent: 2018/04/12 17:50:51 And you’ve proven yourself guilty, you only come out the shadows when you have to defend your wrong doing. I don’t mind you taking my donator+ away as I appreciate I broke a rule. However, you have £20 of mine for architect which I never even got the rank for. All staff and plates can confirm I was never architect rank and I paid for architect.
alpacafarm	Date sent: 2018/04/13 03:10:20 When did pheo donate the £20 he is talking about? If it was after he got his donator+ taken away, I think its only right he gets VIP+. If it was before, I think its justified. Donating isn’t a promise that you will get a rank, although most of the time you do get a rank out of it. It’s called donating for a reason. You are supporting the server, and for you being so kind to do so, you are being rewarded with a rank as a thank you. Luigi doesn’t have to give you a rank if you can’t seem to follow the rules most of the time on the rule board. He can take it as just a donation.
Pheonix2000ad	Date sent: 2018/04/13 07:45:03 Logistically and legally you’re right paca. But that doesn’t change the fact that the donation is directly linked to the rank. You give that money and receive something. Upon donating a player is told what they will receive for doing so. I donated money to the server and did not get what everyone else who donates gets. This has nothing to do with me breaking the rules as I never even got the rank to abuse it or be punished with it. If he has promised something in exchange for money he is obliged to give it regardless as if he tries to get away with it being a ‘donation’
Michael9999995	Date sent: 2018/04/13 20:36:03 Wait, did you mean that you paid $20 to become an architect but were never granted that rank while being at the donator rank? Because if this is true, then the server owes pheo $20. He paid for a rank that he did not get at all. He never used it, he never had the rank at all. He needs to get his money back. This is beyond wrong, it's almost theft wtf
alpacafarm	Date sent: 2018/04/13 21:40:51 If pheo donated while still being donator+, its completely justified. Abusing your commands is not the only way to get a rank taken away from you. Would it be better if pheo had architect for 5 seconds and then got it taken away? He was going to be stripped of his rank, even if he had just donated for architect. If this donation happened after his demotion from his donator+, then I think it would be the right thing to do to give him VIP+, due to his rank being wiped. Yet, luigi doesn't have to give him it, which is kinda fucked. But, this is also how most servers work. I'm pretty sure it's against the rules of the EULA for servers to sell "products" or some sort and make profit.
alpacafarm	Date sent: 2018/04/13 21:43:22 The EULA does not say that, but you cannot sell commands for hard cash. So, for most ranks to even exist, you send money as a donation. https://help.mojang.com/customer/en/portal/articles/1590522-minecraft-commercial-use
Pheonix2000ad	Date sent: 2018/04/13 23:09:02 I think you’re missing the point, we all agree what Luigi is doing is legal. But doesn’t make it any less scummy. When I came back to the server after my ban I got donator+ back again, only for Luigi to demote me to panseller because I wanted architect off of him. Being justified and being legal are two different things, if he’s taken architect off me to punish me then the fact I never got it in the first place disagrees
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2018/04/16 04:45:02 Pheo donated for architect while he was a moderator, about 4 months before he was demoted. Since he was a moderator he received architect as a sub rank and had access to all the architect commands including creative mode, so he can't claim he never received the rank since he had all the permissions that came with it, and was actively using them for 4 months. When he was demoted, he was mistakenly demoted to donator+ and not architect, but he didn't say a word about it or attempt to correct this mistake back then. Instead he tried to submit a chargeback through paypal after he was banned, but he lost not only because it was a donation, but also because paypal could obviously sense a fraud since the transaction had occurred 4 months previously, and if he really hadn't received anything he would have done it sooner.
Pheonix2000ad	Date sent: 2018/04/16 07:46:47 Okay Luigi, lying isn’t gonna solve this, I never got architect or received any of the permission. James had to manually give me gmc, I did not have all of the architect perms. Btw PayPal literally told me it was because it’s a donation
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2018/04/21 05:34:05 James had to manually give you gmc because you donated, therefore you had access to gmc which is an architect only permission. Congratulations, you just contradicted yourself.
Pheonix2000ad	Date sent: 2018/04/21 06:45:20 But I didn't have any of the other architect perms? Sassy little bitch also i got GMC when i was still donator, so i didn't even pay for arch at this point so i didn't contradict myself
Randal	Date sent: 2018/04/21 07:51:20 But you did though. Architects get /gmc /tp and /I which you had all three. James gave you /gmc while being a mod gave you /I and /tp.
Pheonix2000ad	Date sent: 2018/04/21 12:26:57 yessss I love your passive aggressive bitching. I was given gmc. Not the architect subrank and I don't even know why you are getting involved when you don't know the situation and nobody takes anything you say seriously anyway
Tye	Date sent: 2018/04/21 13:47:52 just give him the damn rank (or refund him the money), he paid money and was scammed from his title.
Pheonix2000ad	Date sent: 2018/04/22 21:54:24 don't worry about it tye, im done with that server now. I've found a new ones that have similar vibes to mush that are just better run. I legit wanted to come back as an active player and try rebuild the community so its their choice to push me away and make me feel inferior to the other players. If so that i cant be trusted with architect, why fucking unban me in the first place. I wish i left mush before the reset when i still had some positive things to say about the server
Shindori	Date sent: 2018/04/29 09:41:54 Crooked Daniel strikes again!
Presinus	Date sent: 2018/05/16 12:01:26 Did Pheo even abuse any donator perms? Sure I get you might not trust him and want him to earn his trust back, but is that trust even relative to his donator rank?
CCShad Moderator	Date sent: 2018/05/18 14:07:24 No Pres, He didn’t lose the rank for abusing perms. Every player banned for conspiracy has all of their donation credit revoked, starting again as if they’ve donated $0. These players include Tom, Ruben and Pheo.
Pheonix2000ad	Date sent: 2018/05/18 14:44:34 "conspiracy" ffs grow up
Presinus	Date sent: 2018/05/19 03:05:11 Conspiracy: a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful. May I ask what the secret plan was?
CCShad Moderator	Date sent: 2018/05/19 14:23:56 The first time he did it he just gathered a group of players from Ruben’s server to come on and spam (Organized spam group). The second time was him attempting to bring players over to Ruben’s server by advertising through various methods (/msg and signs, telling friends and other members to do it, and possibly on discord) on an alt (Organized advertising) First incident is one of the reasons he was perm banned, and the second incident happened while he was still banned.
Presinus	Date sent: 2018/05/20 01:46:41 I don't know about the advertising, but I know the organized spam wasn't Pheo's doing. Groups of people on the server publicly organized plans to spam Mushroom Co. When Pheo logged on, he told them several times not to go through with it, and that he wanted to let the people of Mush be. Pheo was against organized spam, and I found the server IP via Minecraft Statistic or whatever the site is called. Not once had I seen evidence of him or others from that server advertising.
Pheonix2000ad	Date sent: 2018/05/20 09:27:05 Uh oh
Aouldrain	Date sent: 2018/05/20 14:01:04 Really though, where's the proof of him doing this. And I don't mean word of mouth, word of mouth means absolutely fucking nothing. Show us evident proof that Pheo organized this so called "group of players following Pheo's orders."
Diamond_Launcher	Date sent: 2018/05/26 16:00:51 +1 Although I don't like you as a person, it's not fair that this has happened.
wones9	Date sent: 2018/05/27 20:24:14 Cchsad it was completely me that organized the mass spams. You people are so fucking stupid that you can't even guess that.
Diamond_Launcher	Date sent: 2018/05/28 02:54:13 Your banned anyway Wones, so congrats. I wish you were banned from the forums as well. Where is the proof Pheo organised those spam groups. Luigi, if you show us some proof this wouldn't be a problem. I understand the fact that he technically did have architect while being mod but there was no reason to take architect away from him if he didn't abuse it. Just because you are Co-owner and get all the donations doesn't mean you can take advantage of them. Pheonix shouldn't get his rank back but maybe his money. He didn't even get to use his rank when he wasn't mod. When you are mod you don't actually 'get' architect you get the mod perms. He got the same perms but never abused it. Just refund his money and this won't continue. Luigi, what your doing is called 'money fraud' and is an illegal thing to do. Pheonix, click on the link alpaca gave you and report the server of money fraud. It is a crime.
Presinus	Date sent: 2018/05/28 03:23:46 Wones is banned from the forums. He just makes a new account everytime he gets banned. Also I'm not sure you know your laws, but since it's marked as a "donation" and not a "purchase," you can't sue or report him for that. It is not illegal, but it is morally incorrect.
Ruminisque	Date sent: 2018/06/01 21:22:54 "Money fraud" that's such a dumb phrase.
Aouldrain	Date sent: 2018/06/02 02:07:01 Indeed so

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