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ACeTheGreat98
Date sent: 2016/10/14 13:35:03
BEFORE WE START!

I am not trying to get anybody demoted or removed from staff, I am simply asking for my spawners to be replaced and my command to be allowed or refunded. I think the staff are doing a wonderful job.


Hello, I bought the /spawner irongolem command a few days ago, (Can provide paypal receipt if needed). I then opened /warp iron. Now about 24 hours after being open, I had my farm closed down by Chip, which is understandable as he hasn't had to deal with something like this before.

Anyway a couple of days go by, and I ask, (admittedly for the 10th time), if I can reopen. Chip says yes, and so I begin to reopen. I was in the process of asking Chip if I needed to raise prices when he left, so I assumed my price was okay. http://imgur.com/a/rASOk

So I go about my day with people buying iron, and everybody is super happy that /warp iron is open again. At around 6:00 AM EST (According to tones), Chip said to BREAK my spawners. This is where the error in judgement (in my opinion) happened.

First, I think a better solution would have been to destroy my shop and change the spawners. Anybody who has visited /warp iron knows it is a RARE triple spawner. This would take weeks of searching to find another one in a good location, assuming one is even in the border.

Second, as I wasn't able to ask and I wasn't told to change the prices, I think it was unfair to destroy my spawners for "Breaking the economy." I have said multiple times that I am willing to sell it for any price staff deems fit. I was given no warning to raise prices, it was just destroyed.

Third, I payed money for a command I haven't been able to use but a couple of days. I personally think that I should be able to use it, trade it in for two smaller commands, or be refunded entirely.

And finally, Blue did the exact same thing last map, and got no questions asked by anybody. I also believe somebody sold iron for $1 for a few days as well, however I can't remember who. Now I am not using this as a strong point, as they were different people in a different place, however there needs to be some consistency on certain issues, especially when people give real money to the server.

At the end of the day, we are all here for fun, and /warp iron provided joy to people, so they can focus on the fun building instead of the boring and repetitive mining.

Again, I am NOT trying to get anybody demoted!

I would like my spawners to be replaced. I would also like my command to be allowed, traded in for other command(s), or refunded entirely.


TLDR
My spawners were broken unfairly, and a command I payed for isn't able to be used.
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ACeTheGreat98
Date sent: 2016/10/14 13:40:58
UPDATE


My /spawner irongolem was REMOVED! I am furious...
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Chip_Bruh
Date sent: 2016/10/14 15:02:35
Here's how it happened from my Point Of View:

Somehow, somewhere, someone told me that you had an iron farm using illegitimate spawned-in spawners. After asking questions about how you managed this, I messaged luigi on skype about it - but got no response. I Asked you to stop selling the iron from the farm because it is literally selling GMC items (really cheap), which is against the rules because it destroys the economy.

After 1 - 2 days without a response from luigi I figured I should take matters into my own hands and make the decisions myself - afterall, that's why I'm temporary owner.
I tell you to proceed with your farm and assumed that you would at least raise the prices as this was one of the issues we had a few days prior.

This morning when I woke up, I logged onto the console to make sure the server was still running and didn't have any issues. I look in chat and I see MULTIPLE players spamming your shop, buying stacks and stacks and stacks of iron for only 10$ per stack.
I check for you and sure enough you were afk at your spawner, collecting an infinite amount (at a very fast rate) of iron. Granted, I did not tell you that you couldn't do this, but again, I mis-judged your future actions by trusing you'd be more careful with the spawner.

At the time, I didn't have time to sort it out so I asked Tones to deal with it by removing the spawners and removing the chest shops. Other staff, including myself and tones, thought your prices and spawner were absolutely ridiculous.

I don't know why luigi would do such a thing, possibly he didn't think about the consequences - but having the ability to spawn infinate, illegitimate items is strictly against the survival period in which we begin all of our maps on.
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Matodir
Date sent: 2016/10/14 15:07:03
Such scam much cancer. He paid for the command.
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belgnbor
Date sent: 2016/10/14 15:07:25
I support Ace, I and a few others have spent real money getting commands only to have them taken away. I don't see how it was breaking the economy, its the same as someone setting up an iron golem farm. All of a sudden these types of spawners are only available to "staff", it seems only staff can make money from gold, iron & villagers. Most like to come and build not drudge in the mines for ever. Owners can't keep accepting real money off people and then not delivering what was paid for. To break the spawners was a despicable act, at worst replace them with another type of spawner and give Ace his real money back. He put in a lot of hard work only to have it destroyed because staff/owners can't make up their minds.
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Chip_Bruh
Date sent: 2016/10/14 15:10:14
Which staff are using /spawner and selling creative items?? You can make an iron golem spawner with villagers, that's allowed because it is how the mechanics of the game works.

It destroys the economy because it severely devalues iron and removes a large part of the survival stage.
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ACeTheGreat98
Date sent: 2016/10/14 15:13:11
So Chip, I have to ask. Will the spawners be replaced? Those are legit. Will my command be replaced or will I be given other commands/ranks in place? Or have I lost out without any warning?

I understand you assumed I would raise my price, but I wasn't told to, so I shouldn't be punished for not doing something I wasn't told to. I will HAPPILY raise the price to whatever staff deem fit.
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Chip_Bruh
Date sent: 2016/10/14 15:15:50
I'll give you some other commands and replace the spawners.

It's utterly ridiculous that players complain that the economy has gone to shit and the staff aren't doing anything to solve it, but as soon as I take a step to salvage the economy, people go ballistic on me.
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Puff30826
Date sent: 2016/10/14 15:21:39
I have a question. How was Blueroon able to sell his iron for $10 a stack forever without anyone batting an eye? He used /spawner Iron Golem as well. I would really like to know why he got to get away with it. Blue also had an alt that would collect iron for him.
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ACeTheGreat98
Date sent: 2016/10/14 15:30:32
Ok, so I cant use the command anymore.

Tom said http://imgur.com/a/Gm63T I could claim Donator+ if my command wasn't restored. I would like that if possible.

Thank you for your service Chip, and sorry I am being annoying or whatever but I feel as though I was stolen from.
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Ruben
Date sent: 2016/10/14 15:35:08
I agree with Chip, having an infinite source of iron on the server it's absolutely ridiculous, it makes iron so worthless and easy to obtain no matter what price you give to it Ace, you'll still have an incredible amount of iron which is unfair for others.

I honestly don't know why /spawner commands are allowed. Everyone knows the economy suffers from it but no one cares.

And about Blue, it's past, he has done the same thing before, but focus on you, not on what others do or have done, don't try to excuse yourselves just because someone else did it before. Different maps btw.
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Chip_Bruh
Date sent: 2016/10/14 15:36:34
Well you're VIP+ aren't you?
If you payed atleast £12 (14$) for /spawner Irongolem then sure, you can be Donator+
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ACeTheGreat98
Date sent: 2016/10/14 15:40:08
To Ruben. Take note of the "This isn't a strong point as they were different people on a different map."

Also, why would they sell it if they would just take it away again, it isn't like I wanted to buy it but couldn't. I already purchased the command, and it was taken. It looks like donator+ is my new option.
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Matodir
Date sent: 2016/10/14 15:53:30
scam
skam/Submit
nouninformal
1.
a dishonest scheme; a fraud.
"an insurance scam"
synonyms: fraud, swindle, fraudulent scheme, racket, trick; More
verb
1.
swindle.
"a guy that scams the elderly out of their savings"
synonyms: swindle, cheat, deceive, trick, dupe, hoodwink, double-cross, gull;
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Matodir
Date sent: 2016/10/14 15:54:40
^webbcraft in a nutshell
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Ruben
Date sent: 2016/10/14 17:23:46
"This isn't a strong point as they were different people on a different map." What are you on about?

Btw you donate money and get offered a rank with permissions.You don't actually pay them, and point me out where in the donations page there is actually written that the commands offered are not subject to change, seriously, don't fucking ask for a trade or a refund, they got taken away so just deal with it! You've all had your fun while it wasn't took, and by that, I mean every donator and every command that was took from the current donator ranks, so stop fucking whining! The commands change to fit the server needs. Ex: It is full survival now so creative mode was taken.
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ACeTheGreat98
Date sent: 2016/10/14 17:29:29
But ruben, I did nothing to have the commands taken away. I didn't break any rules and I wasn't told to lower prices. I was within the rules, it shouldn't have been taken in the first place.
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Matodir
Date sent: 2016/10/14 18:40:56
Haha, easy for you to say, you didn't ever donate, you never had that feeling that you just got robbed. Ace however did.
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Ruben
Date sent: 2016/10/14 19:00:43
Cut the crap, he wasn't robbed because he donated. When you donate, you don't expect to receive something back, like so he's not being robbed.

I was going to donate actually, but abstained due to recent changes on the server.
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Matodir
Date sent: 2016/10/14 19:13:26
"I was going to donate actually, but abstained due to recent changes on the server." You were going to donate, but didn't, because you know deep down that all the donators got scammed. So to not lose any money yourself, you didn't donate.
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Ruben
Date sent: 2016/10/14 19:25:48
No, actually is nothing related with permissions from ranks.
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Puff30826
Date sent: 2016/10/14 21:11:41
Ruben, /spawner iron golem was not a donation. It did not come with his rank. He specifically asked Luigi if he could buy it. That is a purchase. A donation is giving something for nothing in return. What he did was not a donation. Even the ranks are technically purchases and not donations. Just because you call something a donation doesn't mean it is.

do·na·tion
dōˈnāSH(ə)n/
noun
something that is given to a charity, especially a sum of money.
"a tax-deductible donation of $200"
synonyms: gift, contribution, present, pledge, handout, grant, offering; More
the action of donating something.

pur·chase
ˈpərCHəs/Submit
verb
1.
acquire (something) by paying for it; buy.
"Mr. Gill spotted the manuscript at a local auction and purchased it for $1,500"
synonyms: buy, pay for, acquire, obtain, pick up, snap up, take, procure; More

noun
1.
the action of buying something.

Now as you can see, the ranks and /spawner iron golem are purchases, not donations.
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Xario1
Date sent: 2016/10/14 21:13:16
Ok, first of all, a donation is a donation, you really shouldn't expect anything back. When you donate, expect it to be like a thrift store, you donate not expecting anything back. This isn't Walmart where you give them your money and you expect something back. That being said....

Chip, one item can't break the entire economy. Just becuase maybe there is an infinite supply of iron or beef doesn't mean that they will break the economy. I have stated before what is wrong with the economy, and it is not just one item. While one item being sold at a very low price in a monopoly type setting is bad, it doesn't break the ENTIRE economy.
The reason why the economy is broken is becuase there is no price floor on ANY of the items, when there needs to be on all of the items. The problem isn't the price of just one item, it is the price of all of them. people are selling wood and other items for very little which makes it harder for other shops to compete for these items that take work to get. This problem could be fixed if Luigi allowed the staff to edit the plugin to somehow create a price floor, or to install a plugin that would allow the staff to easily set a price floor, but instead he just allows the economy to be broken. Heck, he could even make a rule that no one set prices lower than what the server says something is worth, even that might work. But the economy is not broken becuase of any one item, it is broken becuase Luigi chooses not to fix it.

Speaking of Luigi, you may wonder why he gives people the command for iron golem spawners, it is becuase he is a hypocrite. He may say he is against these kinds of things, but his actions says that he really doesn't care. Either that or he doesn't value any of the money that is donated and just puts it in his pocket instead of using it for keeping the server up, which I wouldn't doubt him doing.

Also, Ace may have said that this isn't his strong point, but is is definitely one for me that I emphasize again and again, which is the fact that staff often treat people unfairly, especially when it comes to BlueRoon for some reason. Now, of course Blue hasn't been on the server in a while, but the fact that the current staff let him get away with so many things that they are now punishing other players for is something that will be constantly reminded to both players and staff again and again until the current staff members are no longer staff.
You can't just punish Ace for something like this and expect people to be ok with it Chip. In fact, I don't think you should have punished him at all, oly becuase you never punished BlueRoon for it. What kind of standard is that? Letting one player get away with it, and punish another player. This is bullshit.



Now Ace, when it comes to your donation, I think you should have thought more about it before you donated for the perm, becuase we all know this kind of crap happens, and it makes it not worth it to donate. I mean, I seriously considered donating for the perms that come with Donator+ so that I could kick afk players, trolls, and hackers when staff aren;t online, as they usually aren't online. And I also at one point want to have /spawner. But I thought about this decision for months, and eventually realized that it's not worth it. I mean, it would be nice if the server had less lag from afk players and if there were actually staff on when I am on late at night, but if I think donating to get permissions to do these would help, then I was just caring way too much about a server that is only getting worse over time.

Also, what would you expect would happen when you price infinite iron so low that other players can't compete?
I do agree though, that they should have not broken your spawners. I once had 5 spawners in the same area on the last map that I had found by chance, so it is not unreasonable to be able to find 3 legitimately.
But I do think you shouldn't have had your alt afk all the time. I'm the kind of person who finds alts and afking for spawners to be unreasonable, especially if you are using an alt to do that.
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17gu
Date sent: 2016/10/14 21:14:38
I totally agree with puff. Let's say Walmart sells you a new flatscreen TV, but calls it a "Donation with perks added". Then after 2 days they take your new flatscreen claiming "It was a donation! We can take it if we want!". Would you be ok with that? People can call a purchase a donation, but it's still a purchase. Please stop trying to defend this flawed system of "donating".
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ACeTheGreat98
Date sent: 2016/10/14 21:25:51
Xario, I would like to point that my design is lag-free as all of the iron golems are killed quickly and the items are picked up and stored/destroyed assuming the backup supply is filled.
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Guiness4
Date sent: 2016/10/14 21:58:52
you cant destroy the economy when the econmy is A imaginary and B broke from the get go...

Its the worst "economy" i have ever seen.
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alpacafarm
Date sent: 2016/10/14 23:07:35
This is the most bullshit ever. HE BOUGHT THAT FUCKING COMMAND, HE DID NOT FONATE FOR THE COMMAND, HE DONATED HIS RANK.
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ACeTheGreat98
Date sent: 2016/10/15 02:34:54
Issue has been RESOLVED!

Luigi has given the command back, allowed me to reopen the spawners, and approved the price.

Thank you all for the support!
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Xario1
Date sent: 2016/10/15 05:00:58
Glad to hear it has been resolved. Also, Alpaca, now that you put that way, you're right. He did donate for the command, so that means that is really is similar to buying it since his intent was only to donate for the command and now other reason. I apologize to everyone for having been wrong in what I said about the donation part before.
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Xario1
Date sent: 2016/10/15 10:07:18
Great, now it's overpriced. Well, I guess I won't be shopping at /warp iron anymore.

And if I have to explain to anyone how it is overpriced, then they obviously can't figure out how broken the economy on this server is :\
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ACeTheGreat98
Date sent: 2016/10/15 12:55:00
I know Xario, I guess I will be reopening /warp iron at a "Legit" farm with cheaper iron sometime in the next two weeks.
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Xario1
Date sent: 2016/10/15 15:49:52
Awesome! Glad to hear that! If you would like help with that, let me know, because I already have a village and a bunch of doors, becuase I tried to breed villagers before, becuase I wanted a farmer villager. As long as you can breed without a farmer villager, this village will work, and it already had a a lot of villagers to spawn a golem when I found it

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