| Author | Message |
|---|---|
 Vulturboy |
Date sent: 2016/10/09 01:20:52
Before I start, I would like to state that you made a donation to the server, meaning that you get commands as a thank-you. If you bought a rank it would be different, but as donators you are not entitled to commands, so they can be removed when necessary.Earlier today Luigi removed the command /fly from donators due to people using it to raid end cities and go ridiculously far out in the end. This is a problem because when you go far out, it takes up server data and ultimately causes lag. Luigi has fixed this, however, by putting world borders in place. Now, the problem is solved, but donators no longer have /fly. For many players, /fly is a vital command and has many uses, especially for players who build a lot. This should no longer be a problem with the addition of world borders in the Nether and the End, so I ask you this: Should donators no longer be able to use /fly? |
 belgnbor |
Date sent: 2016/10/09 02:10:10
Yes they should be able to use fly. It ceases being a donation when you are told you get these perks for paying this amount of money. I specifically asked Luigi before buying VIP if I could set warps and fly. The only reason I paid. To have someone pay for a privilege and then take it away is a kind of fraud. |
 Matodir |
Date sent: 2016/10/09 05:21:50
They obviously should, just because the commands can be removed because they didn't buy them, but just "donated" and earned them as a "thank you" it doesn't mean that someone donates 25 goddamn euros and lose everything because he just "donated".Luigi scammed the whole server. |
 DreemurrTheDreamer |
Date sent: 2016/10/09 06:07:56
i agree with matt. it took me a long time to get the spare money to spend on the server, because most of my income goes toward food and helping with the bills. i for once had a spare $10, so i decided to spend it on the server. first of all, i didn't even get all of the perms i was told i would get on the website, and second of all, the ones i did get are now being taken away. what are you gonna take away next? /help? |
DreemurrTheDreamer |
Date sent: 2016/10/09 06:09:55
Buy (verb) - obtain in exchange for payment. |
 loki570023 |
Date sent: 2016/10/09 06:19:33
Reasons why I quit. |
 luigiofthebakery Moderator |
Date sent: 2016/10/09 06:45:24
If you like cheating then you should play singleplayer where it won't affect anyone else. Donating doesn't give people a right to cheat and make the game unfair for everyone else. |
 Buddy702 |
Date sent: 2016/10/09 06:59:15
Ok abuse of fly.I admit to flying out to 5678 from spawn to have a house se and out a couple thousand in the end to find the void for a new ender man farm.I stopped at some end castles but there were all raided.I don't mind not having /fly as I sill have other commands suck as /top which is all I need to survive that pesky lava. Luigi you have not scammed people as they donated as clearly labeled.But can update the donations page so people don't feel as they are have been ripped off. |
luigiofthebakery Moderator |
Date sent: 2016/10/09 06:59:16
The donator permissions are meant to be used for convience in building or other purposes that don't ruin the survival experience of other players.Using /fly for the purpose of quickly raiding end cities or exploring new terrain clearly crosses this line, since normal players end up missing out on those things and this takes away from their survival experience. |
DreemurrTheDreamer |
Date sent: 2016/10/09 07:28:02
never once did i use any kind of hacks/cheats, and neither did potato. the only reason i used /fly was to get around to my friend's houses quicker, and to get my donkey on to my roof. the farthest i've ever flown from spawn was about 4,000 blocks to build my faction's town. if you don't want players flying out 10,000 blocks, then shrink the barrier to 5,000 from center in each direction, so people can't fly so far. |
Buddy702 |
Date sent: 2016/10/09 07:28:24
I see your point luigi. but why do u need to raid an end city to get an elytra when us donators can already fly??? I just flew in a straight line to fine a good place to build.Also setting some warps so that players could go to that biome and help them get a head start as well.P.S please dont shrink the barrier so my house is deleted.... I had no clue how far i flew as i had no idea how to check until someone told me. |
 Ivy |
Date sent: 2016/10/09 07:36:15
Abusers it should be removed, but people who don't abuse it shouldn't. |
DreemurrTheDreamer |
Date sent: 2016/10/09 08:00:17
^ |
 Harvey |
Date sent: 2016/10/09 08:55:37
Luigi are you really that fucked up in the head? Donating is giving (money or goods) for a good cause, for example to a charity. Your server is not a good cause and 90% of people are not giving for the server but for a specific list of 20-50 commands that you have up on your website. When you tell someone what they can buy and how much it costs it stops being a donation and actually counts as selling/buying. So can you stop using the word 'donation' to cover up your fraud and give everyone back commands they paid for or take the shop down from the website. |
DreemurrTheDreamer |
Date sent: 2016/10/09 09:21:25
preach it mothafucka |
 Shindori |
Date sent: 2016/10/09 10:00:58
Because giving a certain someone /spawner irongolem simply because he donated more money is fair right? Giving him the advantage of selling stacks and stacks of iron for a low price and the advantage of him being able to make money easier than others.The point I want to make with this is that you luigi, talk about making it fair for everyone and not ruining the survival experience, yet you give commands out like this. Not really the right thing to do if you want to keep it fair for everyone, is it? |
Matodir |
Date sent: 2016/10/09 10:45:10
I agree with Nino, oh and you said "If you like cheating then you should play singleplayer where it won't affect anyone else," so cheating is wrong fine, you're right there, flying is cheating, but having the ability to get an infinite amount of iron is totally okay right. Plus, if you want "pure survival", give the donators their goddamn money back. |
 Techy |
Date sent: 2016/10/09 11:26:44
I kind of agree with everyone here. The donator page does say quite a lot about the commands given, so those should at least be updated to show that it is a donation rather than a purchase. |
Shindori |
Date sent: 2016/10/09 12:04:43
At this moment people are still able to use /fly though. |
luigiofthebakery Moderator |
Date sent: 2016/10/09 13:48:13
Giving someone /spawner irongolem doesn't mean infinite iron, the iron golems have to be killed first which is quite hard since they have a lot of health and deal a lot of damage. Besides, even if someone had an infinite amount of iron (such as in creative mode) but keeps it to themselves, that's fine since it doesn't affect anyone else. However, giving out cheated/spawned in items for free or unreasonably low prices is against the rules (rule 7) because it does affect other people.Regarding harvoo's comment, it's up to people to decide if donating to the server is a good enough cause or not. The whole reason it is classified as a donation is because that is what I want it to be and have explicitly stated it by using that term on the donation page. As I have said before, I want people to donate because they enjoy playing on the server and want to voluntarily help contribute to upkeep costs, not just because they are getting a rank. If people are paying solely for the purpose of receiving a rank, I don't want their money. in my opinion the word "donation" gives an ample enough warning to imply nothing should be expected in return for the donation, and as much as I try to give people value and thanks for their donation through the ranks, none of the permissions are guaranteed. |
Matodir |
Date sent: 2016/10/09 14:29:45
A very few people donated because they just "enjoy the server", I can assure you that. Oh and, the point you mentioned that irongolems have a lot of hp and deal a lot of damage is invalid. You know irongolem farms exist. |
Harvey |
Date sent: 2016/10/09 16:56:32
No most people 'donated' for the list of commands that come with each rank. I am 100% right and you just look like a fraud and a greedy mf |
 Xario1 |
Date sent: 2016/10/09 20:14:32
I somewhat agree with you, Luigi, but not entirely. You see, I am the kind of player who can do everything I normally do without /fly, but flying does make most tasks easier. But the fact that I can do all those things without /fly is becuase raiding End cities is not something that I normally do. I would have to disagree with you about flying being the same as cheating, it is not, especially if it is a perk of donating. But I do agree with you that using /fly to raid End Cities is unfair to players who don't have /fly, and changing spawners to anything that they normally aren't in vanilla minecraft could technically be considered cheating, but if the spawner that is changed is openly available to the public, and every player has fair access to it, even if they don't have the command, then that is more fair. I had an idea that could be good for everyone, if it could be made possible. At first I thought "what if the End portal was just covered up for a month, so that no one could go in?" And if that were to happen, pretty much every player would already have fully enchanted items by the time it was opened up, so raiding the End would have less value. But that still would not be fair to players that don't have /fly. So, what if there were a way to disable /fly only in the End? This may be possible, but unfortunately might require another plugin, but I don't know for sure. Anyway, those are my thoughts on the matter. |
Shindori |
Date sent: 2016/10/09 21:21:48
"However, giving out cheated/spawned in items for free or unreasonably low prices is against the rules (rule 7) because it does affect other people."You can buy a stack of iron for 10 pounds already because of /spawner irongolem c: |
Matodir |
Date sent: 2016/10/09 21:29:40
Luigi please, to arrange problems on the server, you gotta actually be on it. |
Xario1 |
Date sent: 2016/10/10 02:02:06
Speaking of spawners and cheating, Luigi, why is it that alt accounts are allowed? Those must be cheating by your standards, right? Becuase alt accounts allow only some players to gain more resources than other players, and they gain those resources from spawners no less. Not to mention alts cause lag, which was very much an issue today becuase there were more than 50 players on at a time at one point and the server was lagging so much that I couldn't even properly fish or kill mobs. |
DreemurrTheDreamer |
Date sent: 2016/10/11 18:15:22
^ |
