American gun law

Author	Message
Pepperpot9	Date sent: 2016/07/14 23:56:33 How do you guys feel about it?
Wolves_rock5651	Date sent: 2016/07/15 00:36:11 I feel we need our guns. besides, even if they outlawed them or whatever, people would still find a way to get guns.
Sparqy Back-up	Date sent: 2016/07/15 00:50:10 What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand? It's our constitutional right to own and wield arms for protection against the government and other civilians. We have rifles and pistols, not assault rifles. A permit for an automatic rifle costs thousands and requires a high level of trust from the government. People kill people, guns cannot act unless acted upon.
Sparqy Back-up	Date sent: 2016/07/15 00:51:15 1774 British banned imports of rifles 1775 British attempted confiscation of arms in the colonies 1776 American revolution
Pepperpot9	Date sent: 2016/07/15 01:27:40 What about the statistic: over 30,000 gun related deaths a year?
Ninja97us	Date sent: 2016/07/15 01:39:04 How many of those are homicidal and how many are police/self defense? As Sparqy said "Shall not be infringed" is there for a good reason If tyranny pops up, not even in our lifetime, we have a means of defense
Sparqy Back-up	Date sent: 2016/07/15 02:06:13 When Americans think about deaths from guns, we tend to focus on homicides. But the problem of gun suicide is inescapable: More than 60 percent of people in this country who die from guns die by suicide. Suicide gets a lot less attention than murders for a few reasons. One big one is that news organizations generally don’t cover suicides the way they do murders. There’s evidence that news attention around suicide can lead to more suicides. Suicide is more stigmatized and less discussed than homicide. But, as a matter of public health, gun suicides are a huge problem in the United States. Suicide is the second-most common cause of death for Americans between 15 and 34, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Across all ages, it is the 10th-most common cause of death, and caused 1.6 percent of all deaths in 2012. Mass shootings are a matter of great public interest and concern. They also are a relatively small share of shootings overall. According to a Bureau of Justice Statistics review, homicides that claimed at least three lives accounted for less than 1% of all homicide deaths from 1980 to 2008. These homicides, most of which are shootings, increased as a share of all homicides from 0.5% in 1980 to 0.8% in 2008, according to the bureau’s data. A Congressional Research Service report, using a definition of four deaths or more, counted 547 deaths from mass shootings in the U.S. from 1983 to 2012.2 Looking at the larger topic of firearm deaths, there were 31,672 deaths from guns in the U.S. in 2010. Most (19,392) were suicides; the gun suicide rate has been higher than the gun homicide rate since at least 1981, and the gap is wider than it was in 1981. (Pewsocialtrends.com) BY D’VERA COHN, ET AL.
Sparqy Back-up	Date sent: 2016/07/15 02:07:44 Knives kill more people, if you ban guns murderers (criminals will still get their hands on guns, just like narcotics ban) will still use knives, ban knives and they'll use bats, crowbars, etcetera.
Sparqy Back-up	Date sent: 2016/07/15 02:08:45 (Of course, knives can't kill, it's the person behind the knife that kills. Just like how you don't blame a car for killing someone or you don't blame a private email server for Hillary's misuse)
Mumfie	Date sent: 2016/07/15 02:09:00 I'll just leave this here I don't mind americans killing americans.
Sparqy Back-up	Date sent: 2016/07/15 02:27:15 You know what criminals are good for? Breaking the law. Banning guns wouldn't do anything because there will still be smuggling just like narcotics that are banned. Instead, let us just ban murder, that way criminals wont murder, right? :^)
Mumfie	Date sent: 2016/07/15 02:49:13 These are statistics from homicide, suicide and unintentional firearm fatality. It's hard to obtain a handgun legally in Norway. We still have narcotics smuggled in which also opens up gun smuggling. But still, we're at 0.04 while the US is at 3.7. Lots of your gun killings are from weapons obtained legally but stolen. I do not have the statistics of that at the moment but I read about it in 2015 or something.
Sparqy Back-up	Date sent: 2016/07/15 02:52:42 Norway, 5 million people USA, 320 million people
Sparqy Back-up	Date sent: 2016/07/15 02:54:13 The proportion means Norway is at 2.52, in an equal stance in population
Sparqy	Date sent: 2016/07/15 04:25:42 This means that Italy, at 0.68 people per 100,000 for their population of 59 million is actually proportionally close to America at 3.6 deaths per 100,000 people. I don't know why the graph didn't add that.
CloudyBogdan	Date sent: 2016/07/15 06:43:42 Shoot eevryone just like hitler....xD JK.
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2016/07/15 09:40:22 I watched a video where it pretty much completely destroyed the American defence to have guns. Sparqy your point of proportion was taken into consideration in the video, and even after that, the statistics showed that amercia was still by far, the highest. Just stop for a minute and really think; America has this whole "ahm Americunn aand ahh have a rite to maa guuunz" <-- this whole attitude is what I think is the MAIN issue here. People in America have been brought up in this community and this mind set that guns are what save lives or whatnot, and are blind to the statistics because they look for minute things that may favour their gun rights. You're blind because what you have been told your entire life; is that guns are a good thing. This is bad, because so many of you Americans use this "ahh have maa rights to maa gunz" excuse, to get more guns! You only need one gun per household, but here you are fucking collecting them like toys! I think if they were solely for protecting your family, you'd not boast to people about how powerful yours are, or how many guns you keep per room. It'd be quite ironic if someone came in your house and used your own gun to shoot you. It doesn't matter if you have your own gun because at the end if the day someone is going to get shot. Whether you're shot or the burglar is shot because you kept a gun down your trousers. Remove guns and less people will be shot. Simple. Here in the UK, if someone pulls a gun on you, you fucking defend yourself in a different way. Guns are not life savers they are live takers. This entire fucking gun rights in America pisses me off. It especially upsets me because I have a very close friend who's parents were in the same mind set as you Sparqy. they believed that guns were very good for protection. That of course was until their child (my best best best friend) got depressed because of bullying and tried to kill themself, with the father's gun. A friend of my friend stopped my friend from killing themself just in time, since then the parents removed the gun and have never had one in the house again. They haven't ever needed a gun and so far their "gun rights" idea only almost caused the death of their child. Instead of fucking saving the child.
stojan44	Date sent: 2016/07/15 09:42:31 Nuke america. Problem solved.
Phaedre	Date sent: 2016/07/15 12:56:40 If you look at Australia, you can see that homicide by firearms has been decreasing a lot since 1996, when they implemented new gun laws. The problem with Americans is as Chip said, their mindset. You touch their guns, you touch their freedom, and that's why nothing will change ahah
Sparqy Back-up	Date sent: 2016/07/15 19:13:02 My constitution protects my gun rights, and under the fifth amendment of the United States constitution, no law can be passed that strip Americans of their property. Fifth Amendment; Due Process Clause The guarantee of due process for all citizens requires the government to respect all rights, guarantees, and protections afforded by the U.S. Constitution and all applicable statutes before the government can deprive a person of life, liberty, or property. Due process essentially guarantees that a party will receive a fundamentally fair, orderly, and just judicial proceeding. While the Fifth Amendment only applies to the federal government, the identical text in the Fourteenth Amendment explicitly applies this due process requirement to the states as well.
Sparqy Back-up	Date sent: 2016/07/15 19:14:29 Chip, Americans don't speak like we are retarded, there are set laws in place that defend our gun rights and many more people than you'd expect like the gun laws we have. The fifth amendment defends our right and the second amendment guarantees it. American constitution.
Wolves_rock5651	Date sent: 2016/07/15 19:37:08 Chip, alot of people in the south have more then one gun because they hunt. For Example, my mom likes handguns so she has her handguns put away safely and one in/on her purse/person when in public. My dad like rifles and has them put away safely for only hunting in a gun safe, but also carries a handgun with him legally. while my parents own guns legally and they both have permits to carry them in public, they are purely for hunting and protection. so take that into consideration?
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2016/07/15 19:39:35 You don't understand my point; guns are deadly weapons that anyone can use in America. Guns are what enabled the suicide of millions of people and very nearly enabled the suicide of my best friend. Guns are what little children at school get killed by. Guns are what killed your president. Guns are what kill innocent, good, citizens of the United States. You dont need a fucking gun to protect yourself, you just need some form of defence weapon. Eg a knife. I'd be amazed to see someone walk into a school with a knife and manage to kill dozens, if not hundreds of students. It just wouldn't happen. The school would go on lock down and police have the criminal in custody before any mass damage was done. Why? Because guns don't take ANY effort to kill people, just point and shoot right? You can't run away from a bullet travelling faster than the speed of sound. A knife however, that's not so easy to kill people with. You can run from it. Idgaf about your stupid-ass property rights. Your point thay guns protect you is ruled null by the fact that ANY OTHER weapon could do just as good.
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2016/07/15 19:42:58 Alyse. My friends and family have guns also for hunting. What I am referring to is carrying a gun around with you in public where anyone could take it and blow your fucking brains out before you can blink. Carry a knife with you that is far less dangerous and harder to steal.
Sparqy	Date sent: 2016/07/15 19:44:21 If you ban guns, and you use a knife to defend yourself, what makes you think criminals won't have their hands on guns? We banned illegal drugs and narcotics and that's still a major problem. Without a southern border, either, this problem swells.
Sparqy	Date sent: 2016/07/15 19:45:43 I'm all for expanded background checks, but banning guns isn't the way. I'm sorry if I upset you.
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2016/07/15 19:48:08 Police are there for a reason, stop trying to take matters into your own hands. call the professionals and run for your fucking life. Show me some hard evidence that carrying a gun around with you everywhere you go, will save your life. Show me some legitimate statistics that prove that less people are killed by guns in America than any other country or state (Of course with population count taken into consideration). Only then, will I accept that guns save lives. You know that America is the most violent for gun crimes, because it's so damn fucking easy to get your hands on one. No matter which way you look at it, no matter how many times you re-do the math, America is always the #1 most violent for gun crimes and gun deaths. If carrying around your gun everywhere did save lives, where the fuck is the evidence?
Sparqy	Date sent: 2016/07/15 19:57:31 We have fire extinguishers and medkits as a preemptive attempt to save something or someone before the officials get there, much like a gun.
ckvoss	Date sent: 2016/07/15 19:58:45 What about drugs that are banned? Do you think people still use them? YES. Because they smuggle them. This will happen to guns too you guys know.
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2016/07/15 20:03:24 ^ but there will be much much less of them.
Wolves_rock5651	Date sent: 2016/07/15 20:11:40 not necessarily chip. i know alot of people in my family who will hide their guns if the government tries to take them.
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2016/07/15 20:28:24 ... alyse you dont even know what I am talking about. Clearly.
Wolves_rock5651	Date sent: 2016/07/15 20:45:33 I do, im just saying stuff i know. If you werent allowed to own more then 1, if you couldnt buy them, or if they took them away i know people who would hide them. i also know that people who legally own guns and have a permit to cary them out in public usually arent the issue. its people who own them that dont have a permit to carry.
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2016/07/15 21:03:19 Omg. No. You don't know what im saying. Let me quote myself... I'm not talking about the government taking your guns. "What I am referring to is carrying a gun around with you in public where anyone could take it and blow your fucking brains out before you can blink. "
Pepperpot9	Date sent: 2016/07/15 21:23:48 Let me just say a statistic that will amaze you all... if you combine the population of Germany, the uk, Finland, Norway and a few other countries in the uk, the combined population is roughly the same as America, yet less than 200 people died from guns in 2013 in these countries.
thomasjones	Date sent: 2016/07/15 22:01:31 This Explains the US gun problem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX4qUsgHa4Y&ab_channel=Vox
Wolves_rock5651	Date sent: 2016/07/16 01:00:34 did you even completely finish reading my comment chip? obviously not.
stojan44	Date sent: 2016/07/16 04:45:35 Wolves you are obv retarded.
Wolves_rock5651	Date sent: 2016/07/16 05:42:03 OMG HOW DID YOU KNOW?!? you must be physic 0.0
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2016/07/16 09:18:57 Physic... pronounced fi-zic You know physic isn't a word? Physics ("the laws of physics") and Physical ("I had to get physical with the gun-stealing criminal") are words but not "physic"... I think you meant psychic.
stojan44	Date sent: 2016/07/16 10:29:57 HHAHAHAHAHAAH! WHAT A FUCKING MORON!
Phaedre	Date sent: 2016/07/16 10:37:21 I don't think guns should be completely banned, I just think it should be registered better since from what I read every madman can just buy one without being mentally checked (Not sure if this is actually true but I saw this on a news article recently). I think one solution is to only allow trained people like police and security to have guns in public, not civilians as that just doesnt work out. If you hunt however it should be fine to have a gun, but only for hunting, not to have it with you to the mall or something ;/
stojan44	Date sent: 2016/07/16 11:18:12 ^and then illegals find a way to transport and/or steal guns and more shootouts occur... Wait...THAT'S A GOOD THING! NVM let the americans die. Invading countries then suprised while their own people die. GG
Phaedre	Date sent: 2016/07/16 11:24:17 There will always be people who have illegal ways to get guns, it's the same as with drugs. You just can't get all guns banned because that just wont happen, but every less gun can actually make a difference. Look at Australia as I said before, with their different gun laws since 1996 there haven't been many mass shootings anymore unlike in the US where nothing has changed regarding gun laws since the 18th century.
Wolves_rock5651	Date sent: 2016/07/16 15:53:20 Chip I spelled it like that on purpose. It was a joke confirming what stojan said.
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2016/07/16 16:06:00 Then I am guessing you also purposely mis-spelt: • A lot • Than • Likes • Carry
Wolves_rock5651	Date sent: 2016/07/16 19:12:36 A lot is something I'v always misspelled. The rest is because when I type fast I misspell a lot.
Sparqy Back-up	Date sent: 2016/07/16 23:31:54 I'm all for backgrouns checks and safety training courses before buying a gun.
Pepperpot9	Date sent: 2016/07/17 01:44:28 Guns should be allowed with a licence like the uk
Mumfie	Date sent: 2016/07/17 11:07:47 "durr hurr protect mah rights n freedom, i need mah gun" This is why the entire world hates the US. We can have hunting rifles in Norway too, but you have to put some effort into getting one. A handgun is meant to kill people, not defend people. If you want something to defend yourself, use pepper-spray. We can also all agree that a gun takes more lives than it saves. If anyone here knows the value of a human life then they also know that a gun is not a good thing to have.
Mumfie	Date sent: 2016/07/17 11:07:47 Fucking double-post shit
Sparqy Back-up	Date sent: 2016/07/17 17:02:54 Well, guns don't kill people. People kill people and it's usually to blame for mental disorders.
Mumfie	Date sent: 2016/07/17 18:17:58 Yeah you're right, but a gun certainly makes it a lot easier for someone to kill. In the US you're allowed to shoot someone if they're trespassing. In Norway it is illegal to kill even in self-defense. You don't need a gun to defend yourself. Norway is one of the best countries in the entire world to live in, and we have banned guns.
Pepperpot9	Date sent: 2016/07/17 19:30:42 You could contact the police instead of shooting someone.
Sparqy Back-up	Date sent: 2016/07/17 20:33:59 Schools without guns have to wait on average have to wait about four to six minutes before police arrive. It would be beneficial to have someone on duty with a gun to shoot the culprit rather than waiting that long for police to get there, with all those casualties that could have been prevented. You don't like guns that allow the public to deal with situations so you call the people with the guns to deal with it that take longer to arrive..
thomasjones	Date sent: 2016/07/17 21:07:50 ^ If the US government made it so you have to have a licence to own any type of fire arm and to get a licence you had to go through strict tests checking your mental health and background then those situations will never occur.
Wolves_rock5651	Date sent: 2016/07/17 21:08:21 Sparqy, I know this doesn't apply to a lot of school, but my school has a police officer with a weapon at my school. I think if more schools have police officers (like mine) we wouldn't need to have guns at school.
Mumfie	Date sent: 2016/07/17 21:20:18 School shootings would be difficult without a gun! :D
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2016/07/18 00:45:52 Sparqy instead of having guns at school, implement the 'School lockdown' procedure. After the mass school shooting not too long ago, my school and many others (I think all) implemented the lockdown procedure, where the fire bell rings 5 times if someone comes into school site (campus) with a deadly weapons - all teachers lock their classroom doors, close the window blinds, turn the lights off, and can use anything in the classroom to block up any other way of getting in / seeing into the classroom. The teachers then instruct all students to search for cover within the classroom, usually under the desks. All teachers were also given "walky-talkys" which is a live radio chat with every other teacher, which are used to communicate with eachother. The site staff that watch the CCTV will tell all teachers exactly where the person is that is posing a threat until the police arrive. Much cheaper and less deadly alternative to carrying deadly weapons in a fucking school I think :))) I swear in America you always think the SAFEST and most EFFECTIVE way to protect yourself is guns... like wtf 😂
Wolves_rock5651	Date sent: 2016/07/18 00:57:29 they have that, but it can be ineffective too.
MONKEYPAWNED	Date sent: 2016/07/18 01:05:15 The reason why suicide leads murder is because you have never walk the streets in the ghetto. Those statistics are tainted with lies... In the states Ct Mass and NY alone there were more then 500 murders in a four year span and half i never saw them on the news... Statistics dont tell you everything... I will tell you this we need to get guns under control by controlling who gets there hands on them... Im sick of looking at the TV or hearing of a friend loosing a family member cause some sick individual who should have never had access to a gun gets the largest and fastest killing money can buy. I will vote for Pres/Sen with a gun bill.. you want a gun pass a Med test so i can sleep at night knowing some unstable dumbass who thinks he/she is a god sent angel doesn't go on a killing spree.. . Don't need to agree with me but ... a gun will fire a bullet and hit another innocent persons mother/father/son/daughter/loved one gay or straight. Bullets dont have agendas - people do and people will guns ... just my two cents about.. Chippy you hit that right on the nail....Guns in school only make things worse...Thats a proven fact..Check US history and there is a lot of evidence to back Chips statement. FYI : statistically speaking most gun owners die by their own guns when invaded by a burglar or other...
Pepperpot9	Date sent: 2016/07/18 02:25:35 https://twitter.com/uWotM999/status/754853003946057733?s=09
Sparqy	Date sent: 2016/07/18 05:04:38 Fair enough. We all have rule of law in our country and we each have a different set of laws - in America we have a constitution which guarantees our right to bear arms as the supreme law of the land. I don't care that you don't care about our laws - it's something we follow, and as Americans we cherish because it also abolishes cruel things such as slavery and gives right to privacy, right to an impartial judge/jury, right to voice your opinions without oppression, etc. You have things along those lines, too, and I'm sure you cherish that as well, it's damn important to a society. You have your country and we have ours. It would be nice to argue some more, but I dislike when people make fun of, especially in this situation, my country based on biased stereotypes of gun-loving, amendment following citizens of America. Writing their dialogue like they're mentally retarded or have an impaired sense of language is completely immature and very rude. Not all gun lovers are bad, and it's absurd to suggest so. Have an awesome day, whoever is left here. This is going no where for me.
Gheesus	Date sent: 2016/07/18 13:15:35 so im just going to put my opinion out there Australia's last mass shooting was in Tasmania 35 killed 23 wounded that was in 1996 since then they banned guns and we haven't had a mass shooting since when they made the right to bare arms they only had muskets so really only they should be legal there have been more shootings i america than days i the year this year its so fucking stupid that you would rather have fucking guns to protect your selves but in reality how many times this year have you heard of a gun saving someone rather than taking away lives what do you need protection from if all guns are banned a fucking machete? easy get a good security system get a fucking guard dog stop taking away lives just so you ca shoot your gun in the air o the 4th of july -georgia
stojan44	Date sent: 2016/07/18 13:25:30 ^ 'we'? Wait,You're australian? Well,that explains a lot of things
Mumfie	Date sent: 2016/07/18 20:00:58 Stojan, why don't you like Gheesus? She's a good troll just like us. Your words cannot harm one that does not give a single fuck about your opinions. It's better to piss someone off that gives a shit. More fun that way, don't you agree? On topic. It seems to me that Americans do not want a change in their gun laws because they want to protect their rights etc, but when is it right to kill someone? How can a normal everyday person decide when it is okay to take someone else life away? Many people say that "it's not the gun that kills it's people that kill. If we ban guns we should ban cars too". Well you need an education to drive a car, and a car is designed to take you from A to B while a gun is designed to kill. I had to spend a fuckton of money and take lessons before getting my drivers licence. you even have to finish 2 tests. A pistol, all you have to do is not be a criminal(yet) and don't have retard written on your papers then there you go, take this gun, protect your rights and shoot trespassers if you want to.
miketikel7	Date sent: 2016/07/19 21:48:58 so sparqy said that we can protect ourselves against the government in one of the few first comments... Sure, our pistols will wreck those tanks in a few a shots, is not like they're coated with layers of bullet proof armour...
ckvoss	Date sent: 2016/07/20 02:17:27 Okay so we should ban all cars for drunk drivers?
Pepperpot9	Date sent: 2016/07/20 02:22:29 Yes.
Mumfie	Date sent: 2016/07/21 18:55:47 Drunk driving is already illegal. Also a car is made to get you from A to B plus you need to take driving courses and tests to get a licence. A pistol is made to kill. I cannot tell if your comment was serious or not but if it was then it clearly shows your lack of thinking before writing. Basically you think if we ban guns everything that kills should also be banned. I really hope your parents dont know of your stupidity as they would be really disappointed in you.
Guiness4	Date sent: 2016/07/21 19:48:28 Trump > Chip Bruh < Hitler
Pepperpot9	Date sent: 2016/07/21 21:40:30 What Ck said makes no sense. He's stating that we should ban alcohol from drunk drivers? Yes we should lmao. Whether we should everyone who drinks from driving is different. That's like saying should we ban guns from mass shooters, makes no sense. Drunk drivers get punished and so do shooters.
MONKEYPAWNED	Date sent: 2016/07/21 22:07:06 I find it very closed minded of an individual to think- (A)- It's ok to take a test and have strict guidelines for a license to drive a car- Manage and Regulate who gets a car(that it's only soul purpose is to travel). But (B)-Finds it ok that any moron with the intentions to cause great harm on a large scale can easily and readily purchase a variety of heavy arms without any thing in their way. My friend proved it to me four times. Each time he had the guns....fast.. He never kept them as they were gifts for family members looking for a collection item.. But he did prove to me we need a form of regulation. He is pro gun. He also said to me "but im also a father and a son".. We need more responsible gun owners or one day we will wake up to something a lot worse then what we have already have had the horror of witnessing. I can only hope we get Senators who actually do their jobs for the people. Its a shameful disgrace how this President was treated by our present political party in power.
ARNJ	Date sent: 2016/07/23 08:34:17 I'm not even going to get involved in this shit far to many stupid people
loki570023	Date sent: 2016/07/23 22:09:16 The problem is, Ive seen so many people on about how we need more regulations, or that guns are used for so much crime etc, But the issue is, the idiots who use them to do stupid stuff, makes up a comparably small percent of the population. Never once have i gone on about how "ahm amurican and ah need mah gunnzzz" , Nor have i ever boasted loudly for all to hear how many i have and where i keep them. In fact, none of the people i know have ever done that. The only ones ive heard even talk remotely close to that were the idiots who skipped school every single day to go smoke at the gas station.
PORK	Date sent: 2016/07/25 16:44:57 tbh Youtber LancyPooh almost got shot by a crazy gunman while playing pokemon go :3
PORK	Date sent: 2016/07/25 17:01:31 Wondr wots da situation when Trump gits into power :P
PORK	Date sent: 2016/07/25 17:06:35
PORK	Date sent: 2016/07/25 17:06:56 i do :3

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