Ban Appeal for Astro_Dogs

Author	Message
AstroDogs	Date sent: 2016/04/21 15:57:33 User : Astro_Dogs Why Were You Banned : "Massive TNT grief" When Were You Banned : 4/21/16 Okay so hello folks, I was banned by Tones1208 for "Massive TNT grief" The main problem was.. It was my stuff that I blew up. I blew it up and I got banned for it. I destroyed my stuff and got banned for it. I don't know exactly when I was banned, I'm guessing somewhere between 2 and 8 am. Not sure. If someone could explain why I was banned for blowing up my own stuff, even when Jordan was on and okay'd it, then that'd be great. -Chief_Astro
AstroDogs	Date sent: 2016/04/21 16:01:12 Side Note : I have no idea how long I was banned by Tones.
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2016/04/21 17:34:39 you told another staff member that your friend passed away, so which one is it?
AstroDogs	Date sent: 2016/04/21 17:44:28 I don't see how that has anything to do with my ban, but my friend Matt came on he server about two months ago, and helped me build stuff. He died in a car accident last month. Thanks for making me have to think about it, but it has nothing to do with this.
AstroDogs	Date sent: 2016/04/21 17:50:10 I was (at the time) angry at another player who shall not be named. So I blew apart one of my original survival builds. Then I get banned by tones. I just want to get unbanned, or have an explaination as to what I did wrong.
miketikel7	Date sent: 2016/04/21 17:56:33 +1, you didnt do anything wrong. Sorry for the loss ;( Rlly chip... your questions wasn't even relevant...
stojan44	Date sent: 2016/04/21 17:58:22 Chip that was a dumb thing to do. Thank god you were demoted.
AstroDogs	Date sent: 2016/04/21 18:20:58 I was (at the time) angry at another player who shall not be named. So I blew apart one of my original survival builds. Then I get banned by tones. I just want to get unbanned, or have an explaination as to what I did wrong.
AstroDogs	Date sent: 2016/04/21 18:21:34 My phone just froze and that sent again, sorry
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2016/04/21 18:37:48 "Astro's friend past away so he decided to blow up his stuff, base, farm and lighthouse" <-- that is why i asked. it was unclear between the staff board who's stuff, base, etc was blown up. also sorry for your loss.
AstroDogs	Date sent: 2016/04/21 19:05:52 It was my stuff, and I got banned for it. Tones banned me without any chance. Not even a single question.
Tones	Date sent: 2016/04/21 19:19:49 I was told all my information from someone you told, not naming names, so i got everything from him. I wasn't told who was the one who, you know, (i dont like to think about death either) but it was something that took me and 2 donators to fix, me performing the rollback commands and them putting out/restraining ignited TNT. i said "Massive TNT Grief" as that top part of that respective section was gone, the house destroyed same with the farm and the top part of the light house and i found myself fixing some of it by hand to not risk the tnt exploding again. Griefing is a bannable offence or a temp-bannable one if its not too big (like i said it was massive). If you both built it i respect that but i know i shouldnt say anything but he also put work into it, it doesnt seem right to destroy something that was built by the both of you. I am sorry if i have made anyone upset in the making of this comment. i'll drop it to a tempban if you want but i wont unban you straight away. I am sorry for your loss and i hope all goes well for you in your life. Thankyou for reading my comment. Yours sincerely, Tones1208
AstroDogs	Date sent: 2016/04/21 19:43:35 Out of all people I'm guessing Alfa reported it. You don't have to co form or deny it tones, but it was empty land, with my stuff on it. Just because the player (Alfa) reported that it was his land, doesn't mean it was. It was unclaimed and empty. I blew it up, but it was my land and buildings. I don't think destroying your own buildings and land counts as griefing, does it tones?
AstroDogs	Date sent: 2016/04/21 19:47:05 Also it would be really nice if you can make it a temp ban and give me an estimate until I get unbanned thanks btw tones
Tones	Date sent: 2016/04/21 20:42:18 It might have been your land but it was your friends land as well correct? i know im an idiot for bringing it up again but yeah. No it doesn't count as griefing but there were many other ways of doing it without soo much tnt, i was in survival mode getting rid of it all, i got like 3 stacks dude x.x. But 2-3 day or just the 1? need to hear your input on it.
Alfadog1	Date sent: 2016/04/22 01:59:43 Just curious tones how was that not griefing??? I did report this astro. Please accept my sincere condolences btw with regard to matt. But this was major grief!! Tones, me, and Lars all tried to fix it, but every time we rolled it back the txt would just keep spawning in. I do believe you also have screenshots of what the entire thing actually looked like tones??? The land wasn't claimed by anyone, but It was grief of the wilderness none the less. It took us well over an hour to repair the damage that you did astro. And I don't blame you for lashing out cause of ur friends death, but you could've lashed out some other way. Instead you griefed what once was ur own land, except to the point where thousands of untouched blocks were tntd away. So this was breaking rule #1, and Im sorry Astro but something needs to be done. Stuff like this can't just happen and go around left undealt with or unpunished. I think you should at least be temporarily demoted or temp-banned. One or the other, not both. Please do not take this personally. It isn't. I love this server, and seeing stuff like this happen with no consequence is not ok. I'm sorry but the staff have to recognize this act for what it is, and they need to deal with this. You guys can't let stuff like this go undealt with. Thats all I have to say.
Kerochii64	Date sent: 2016/04/22 03:31:54 Alfa, this has nothing to do with you. From what I have listened and gathered about the situation this is not your land. Respectively, I understand that this land belonged to his friend also but the fact that you are butting into it and pinning on Astro that this is grief of HIS OWN LAND is stupid. Even better, you claimed to have said you couldn't claim it before and then claimed it afterwards straight away. You asked Astro to destroy the signs and chests, and then you assumed that was grief and reported it. I know I'm randomly throwing myself in here but both of you have equally done a wrong and you aren't innocent either, Alfa.
Gilgamesh8	Date sent: 2016/04/22 03:39:24 I need more information: Astro, why did you blow up the land? Who built the stuff on it? Who actually owned it? This will help us know what to think about all this.
AstroDogs	Date sent: 2016/04/22 03:42:05 I blew it up as an alternative for doing something drastic in reality. I was at a low point. I built nearly everything that was destroyed. The house that was ThatSexyCat77's had all of its resources generated by me. I owned it and now Alfa is falsely saying that he did.
Gilgamesh8	Date sent: 2016/04/22 03:44:11 So it wasn't revenge against a player? And Alfa didn't help build any of it? Has ThatSexyCat77 said anything about it?
AstroDogs	Date sent: 2016/04/22 03:45:22 I skyped Savannah (ThatSexyCat77) and she was fine with it. We had both moved on from it. And no it wasn't. Alfa may have once or twice given us torches but the main help was HunterT, as he supplied things like cobblestone.
Kerochii64	Date sent: 2016/04/22 03:50:19 Astro, can you provide the proof of what Savannah said? It would help.
Alfadog1	Date sent: 2016/04/22 04:01:59 Kero this has to do with the land Astro blew up, not the signs. And it doesn't matter who's land it was, it was still grief. At the time of the grief the land was ~wilderness. If you don't know what is going on here fully pls talk to tones or myself or Astro when we are available. Astro didn't grief me. I am a mere witness of Astro Griefing both the ~wilderness and his own lag.
Gilgamesh8	Date sent: 2016/04/22 04:05:10 Let me sum up to see if I understand. The land was yours, you moved away to new land, Alfa wanted the old land, you refused to give it up at first, then you unclaimed it and blew it up, partly to spite Alfa and partly because of maybe other things going on IRL. Then Alfa claimed it and reported you. The land you blew up is near another build, by Alfa I assume. Also, the only land you can blow up is wilderness, so he likely unclaimed it specifically so he could blow it up. Is this right? Is there anything else?
Kerochii64	Date sent: 2016/04/22 04:11:32 Alfa, it does matter whose land it was. If it was his own, it's a false ban. It wasn't yours to begin with, so don't act like it is. I also fully talked this out with Astro.
Kerochii64	Date sent: 2016/04/22 04:22:37 I also never directly stated anywhere that Astro straight up griefed you. I simply stated that you claimed he had griefed. "You asked Astro to destroy the signs and chests, and then you assumed that was grief and reported it."
CaptainSpaceSheep	Date sent: 2016/04/22 06:07:19 +1. He is unbanned, however just because Alfa wanted the land doesn't make it out of spite. He wanted to use the land himself. I was the staff member.
Wolves_rock5651	Date sent: 2016/04/22 12:21:10 Just because the buildings were in wilderness doesn't really make it a wilderness grief since someone have built and claimed them. (When I say claimed them I don't mean like factions.) He built the buildings, and destroyed them to. As far as I'm sure, no rules were broken.
Alfadog1	Date sent: 2016/04/22 12:54:32 Kero as I said before, I'm only a witness of a massive tntd area. I reported it as any good server member would. This had nothing to do with me, I just reported it. He did however blow up more than just his buildings. He blew up massive amounts of untouched ~wilderness blocks. Whether this is or isnt grief is up to the staff. I'm only reporting what I saw. But my personal opinion of this is tnt abuse by astro, because of the massive amounts of tnt he used. I also feel this an abuse of his rank as builder because all of the tnt he used he got from gmc. So for these reasons I would be in favor of a temp-ban OR a temporary demotion to member. By the way after the land was destroyed, I claimed it so no further damage could be made to it by anyone. At the time when the destruction occured, the land wasnt claimed at all. And Kero this has nothing to do with the signs and chests!!! as I already said. That was never any issue or involved in this at all. What I assume is grief is the fact that there was a massive crater in the ~wilderness Astro created. Thats what I was trying to say.
Kerochii64	Date sent: 2016/04/22 13:45:37 Alfa, I only mentioned the chests and signs because I saw that as a significant piece of evidence when stacked up with the additional claim that it was grief.
larsy13	Date sent: 2016/04/22 14:42:44 Worry not! We have Core Inspect to check who actually built the house! We will solve this as soon as possible.
Alfadog1	Date sent: 2016/04/22 20:45:06 Lars you were there with me and tones. Btw this has nothing to do with a house, It has to do with the tnt and the land underneath the house.
Alfadog1	Date sent: 2016/04/22 20:47:19 Tones has screenshots of the damage I believe.
Wolves_rock5651	Date sent: 2016/04/22 22:15:47 Alfa, if this has nothing to do with you besides the fact you reported it, then why are you the main one making a big deal about it? If he built it then what's the big deal?
Tones	Date sent: 2016/04/23 09:08:06 I forgot to screenshot the damage but i know it was pretty big, like the part of the island area that was blown up, the respected section had its top part missing, the farm was in a bad state, but was fixed within like 5-8 minutes, and the lighthouse wasnt hit too badly so lars and i fixed it.

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