| Author | Message |
|---|---|
 OfficalMinoi |
Date sent: 2017/12/04 21:41:23
instead of banning ppl, we should jail them and mute perm o until the durtion of der ban is up |
OfficalMinoi |
Date sent: 2017/12/04 21:41:59
+1 |
 creeperninja69 |
Date sent: 2017/12/04 23:25:26
-1 |
 Presinus |
Date sent: 2017/12/05 03:15:08
+1 But bans would still be necessary if the player were to hack, mute bypass, spam AFK, or spam join/leave. |
 CaptainSpaceSheep |
Date sent: 2017/12/05 07:34:31
-1 Give a few reasons why we should do this. If anything it would be a downgrade because they could still see their friends on and be talked to, which kind of takes away the point of a ban |
OfficalMinoi |
Date sent: 2017/12/05 23:34:14
@jordanLIKE I SAID, they would be PERM MUTED and therefore not be able to talk to anyone And the point of a ban is to prevent them from PLAYING the server, not to prevent them from seeing their friends |
Presinus |
Date sent: 2017/12/06 02:25:55
@CaptainSpaceSheepWait, I thought banning was about isolating the positive and the negative in the server to promote efficiency in gameplay, not just to punish the player for doing bad. |
 luigiofthebakery Moderator |
Date sent: 2017/12/06 10:09:40
There are still plenty of ways people can break rules while jailed and muted, if this was added as another level of punishment before a ban it would just give rule breakers more of an opportunity to cause trouble before they would finally have to be banned for spam, hacking, or something else that can't be prevented without a ban. |
Presinus |
Date sent: 2017/12/06 12:41:45
So why mute or jail players at all when we can jump straight to banning them? |
luigiofthebakery Moderator |
Date sent: 2017/12/06 13:39:43
Because a ban would be too harsh for some things. More punishment options give staff members better ways to handle situations that result in fairer outcomes for the player being punished and the rest of the community. Mute can be used for chat-only offences while allowing the player to continue to play and build, and jail for other things that also don't really amount to a ban, that don't involve chat offences. They can even be used in conjunction for minor things too, however what is being suggested is that they completely replace bans which is impractical for more severe things like major griefing and hacking that usually incorporate a high degree of malicious intent, where the player will try and do everything they can to cause trouble.Furthermore, consider a situation in which instead of a ban for an extended period of time, the player gets a jail and mute, say for a tempban of a month or so or even a perm ban. The act of allowing a player to continue to join the server would have the psychological effect of making that player feel like they are entitled to an experience on the server and participation in the community since they can see the chat and what is going on, however they would not be able to participate and should not be entitled to participate since they have broken the rules. This could lead to frustration and aggravation to the point where the player tries to look for further ways to break the rules in order to gain attention. |
 loki570023 |
Date sent: 2017/12/06 14:22:24
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Not to mention the fact that it seems rather apparent to me this is because Karbs and sak are banned and are still to stubborn to appeal. Banning is in place for exactly the reasons Luigi mentioned, theres a reason why almost all servers use it the way they do. This proves to players that there are lasting consequences for their actions, and that they must follow the rules like everyone else, or be removed from the community for whatever duration is deemed necessary for their actions. |
Presinus |
Date sent: 2017/12/06 21:39:54
I actually came across a few servers that perm muted and perm jailed rather than banning.A few richer server actually had a duplicate server where the banned player may go. No staff ever enforced rules on the duplicate server, so it was basically an anarchy. The duplicate server's IP was always in the ban message. I thought it was a good idea, but I don't know if that would be expensive. EDIT: It was another lobby, not duplicant server. The lobby was only open to banned players. |
CaptainSpaceSheep |
Date sent: 2017/12/06 22:04:30
Why would we change a system that already works perfectly fine? Like you said, it changes nothing so what is the point?? |
Presinus |
Date sent: 2017/12/07 02:54:13
"Why would I get lightbulbs when my candles work perfectly fine?"Candles and lightbulbs are both flawed, yet we as human eventually gave the other a try. |
 armzngunz |
Date sent: 2017/12/07 04:46:33
Presinus, your comparison is ridiculous, a more realistic comparison would be:"Why would I get candles when my lightbulbs work perfectly fine, and when the lightbulbs we have are much more efficient?" |
Presinus |
Date sent: 2017/12/07 12:43:30
Whichever one is more efficient is dependant on the user's bias, for both candle and lightbulbs have their fair share of flaws and benefits. |
Presinus |
Date sent: 2018/03/07 02:58:43
Bump |
CaptainSpaceSheep |
Date sent: 2018/03/07 21:10:42
+1, however it shouldnt replace banning, it should be its own punishment, maybe /isolate (player) (time) (reason) |
luigiofthebakery Moderator |
Date sent: 2018/03/09 14:09:15
It already can be used as it's own punishment, there doesn't need to be a separate command for that. |
Presinus |
Date sent: 2019/08/03 19:05:48
Bump |
 Aouldrain |
Date sent: 2019/08/03 19:08:20
Honestly, this could be a good idea.I'll abstain for now. |
