| Author | Message |
|---|---|
 Woflie_ |
Date sent: 2017/07/22 16:05:52
Username: Woflie_Reason: Accused xray hack Date of ban: 22/7/17 Defence: I have been playing on this server for roughly a year now and after a short spell of not playing I decided to come back to a friendly, enjoyable server with nice staff and supportive members, previously I had no convictions of cheating making this situation all the more confusing for me, at roughly 4:45 (GMT) I was accused of 'xray hacking' by a member of staff, Vango, without warning, evidence or a trial, shortly after I was banned. I understand that staff are there to moderate the server and insure everyone is playing fair and having an enjoyable experience. Thank you very much for your time -Woflie_ |
 Aouldrain |
Date sent: 2017/07/22 16:36:32
-1 You obviously were suspicious. If nothing comes up, you'll be unbanned. You've played on this server for a year, I would expect you to know how punishment works. |
 Vango971 |
Date sent: 2017/07/22 17:51:05
I banned you, I visited your tunnels after I checked and saw you'd mined a stack of diamonds within 20 minutes. You had tunnels going straight from one diamond seem to another. |
Aouldrain |
Date sent: 2017/07/22 19:42:16
This is acceptable after all :D |
 pr1tce |
Date sent: 2017/07/23 00:00:09
-1 vango's reasoning says it all |
Woflie_ |
Date sent: 2017/07/23 09:59:16
Thank you gentlemen for your replies but I fail to see how not making pretty mines makes me a hacker. I do understand what you're talking about Vango and a couple tunnels are mine however a lot were all ready there when I began mining. If I'm going to be banned for understanding how the generation coding works, then fine but at least have the decency to actually listen to someone's argument before banning them...Thanks for your time -Woflie_ |
 Pheoo |
Date sent: 2017/07/23 11:18:39
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 Pheo |
Date sent: 2017/07/23 11:26:03
With being present at the time Woflie_, I am going to side with Vango. You're statistics for acquisition of diamond were not suspicious but more impossible. I do believe that when a mod suspects X-ray they should communicate to the player and give them chance to defend themselves. Despite this every case is different as during yours you made no comment towards it being unfair or made any points against it during the time from when Vango approached you up until you were banned. In cases like this, (regardless of if your innocent or not) you should take a more apologetic approach instead of accusing a staff member. You were a good addition to the server and wish you luck with your appeal. |
 ExplosivePotato_ |
Date sent: 2017/07/23 11:26:18
No 2 Minecraft worlds are the same so how could you possibly know where diamonds are spawning exactly And on-top of that ore generation is random. Therefore -1 |
 Chip_Bruh |
Date sent: 2017/07/23 11:26:59
I looked at your mines and installed x-ray.there is very little to no (i found one ore) diamond under your base. You have strips that go right to the Diamond, a normal player would continue mining, you however saw that there was no more diamond in that direction and you mined elsewhere. you'd get a lot further if you admitted it and apologized. lying gets you nowhere. I'm the Head-Admin by the way, i came to defend my staff. So its fine that i installed x-ray (before you try saying otherwise). |
Woflie_ |
Date sent: 2017/07/23 12:29:34
Thanks Pheo, I appreciate your honesty. Hopefully some kind heart people will see that I did nothing wrong and really do enjoy playing on this server it's a really welcoming community with friendly staff.ExplosivePotato_ No you are completely correct, no world is the same so there is no way that I could know the exact location of the ore, but there is a general pattern to the placement of it. Chip- I can't apologise for something I haven't done but I can apologise if you feel like I haven't treated your admins fairly and for that I am truly sorry. In all other aspects your team are all really kind and helpful and I enjoy their company a lot. Thank you. And believe me I'm not the kind of person who would attack back for someone in power using the hack to check (after all you're only doing your job and I respect that) Overall I'm sorry that you've had to spend your time dealing with me, I'm sure you must get this all a lot and I do understand that. I'd hope that you can see my side of the argument (as mentioned before, only a couple of the tunnels under my base are mine someone was there before me) and I wish for you all to see that I am remorseful for my treatment of the admins (in particular Vango971 who I would like to make a sincere apology to) If my punishment is a Permban I accept that you are after all just protecting the community, if not I'd hope that from Pheo's comment you can see I am as he puts it 'You were a good addition to the server' and reconsider the sentencing. Thank you all again very much for your time I really do appreciate it -Woflie_ |
 Presinus |
Date sent: 2017/07/23 15:31:37
Protip: Limit your hourly mining. If you mined some diamonds and soon after found more, mine it later. Same thing with other precious ores.Xray tunnels are super obvious. You aren't fooling anyone. These "patterns" you speak of aren't nearly as consistent as you make them seem. |
pr1tce |
Date sent: 2017/07/23 18:22:01
wolfie_, the ore generation is COMPLETELY random, so you couldnt possibly know a "general pattern" even if there is one, because you seem like an 8 year old who doesnt know that you can get banned for cheating |
Woflie_ |
Date sent: 2017/07/23 18:31:04
pr1tce, I'm sorry you feel that way but I see no reason to make this personal. I've tried to structure my argument In a sophisticated manner to avoid being labelled as some, as you put it, year old who doesnt know that you can get banned for cheating But I guess just your opinion. (Also as a side note before you go 'age labelling people I suggest you catch up on your 'basic English for beginners' and make full use of apostrophes...)Thanks for your time. -Woflie_ |
Aouldrain |
Date sent: 2017/07/23 18:34:54
Here Woflie_, let me say what he said, but actually grammatically correct and not incredibly filled with cringe.In Minecraft, the generation of ore is random, and isn't in any particular pattern. This implies that, due to your mining behaviors being very suspicious (as you have mined from ore to ore), you are lying. (pr1tce goes on to label you as an 8 year old for no reason because apparently that makes someone a lesser.) There ya go. |
Woflie_ |
Date sent: 2017/07/23 19:28:25
Aouldrain, I appreciate that. If I was lying do you not think I would've given up by now. Every other post on this thread regarding an xray hack have stopped after three or four messages. I myself being innocent want to come back to a community that I feel is fair and very welcoming (I'd like to reiterate that I'm not whining about being banned I understand how it looks and that people will label me as a hacker) however if this was the case I simply would have moved on to a different server by now. I am not guilty of this, hence me still actively trying to fight my case.Thanks for your time -Woflie_ EDIT: I'd also just like to say that unlike so many other appeals regarding xray, I'm not demanding proof or calling you lairs or being just generally vulgar and I'd like to think that my passiveness on this matter will help convince you that I am in fact a genuine person just wanting to play the game with a community of supportive people. |
 Michael9999995 |
Date sent: 2017/07/23 22:03:18
I've known Woflie_ for over a year now. He is a very trustworthy, kind person so this seems quite out of character. +1 for unban. Or at least make it a temp ban. |
Woflie_ |
Date sent: 2017/07/23 22:04:32
Thanks Mike <3 |
Chip_Bruh |
Date sent: 2017/07/24 07:58:03
Wolfie hasn't been here for even a year, how've you known them for over a year? |
Woflie_ |
Date sent: 2017/07/24 08:08:12
Chip, I first joined a while back and even I couldn't remember how long I've actually been here for so I can see why other people would just assume the length of time.What Mike is saying though isn't wrong, I joined Proxima the day I joined the server and I'm sure Mike will also vouch for me when I say I was a helpful member of the community: fixing roads, bridges, etc. If something needed attention I would be the first to help out. Thanks -Woflie_ |
Michael9999995 |
Date sent: 2017/07/24 19:00:28
Ok sorry chip, I do not know the exact amount of time that I've known woflie. But it was close to a year. And ya woflie was a huge help with everything in my fac. He was even about to be promoted to fac mod because of how trustworthy he was before he left. |
 loki570023 |
Date sent: 2017/07/24 19:13:04
"no world is the same so there is no way that I could know the exact location of the ore, but there is a general pattern to the placement of it."What pattern? Tell ya what, if you can A. Prove to me there is a readable pattern to ore generation that you can follow while mining, like digging in a certain direction for however long, and it works every time when i go try it, Ill pull for you to be unbanned. If this "pattern to the placement" is a crock of shit, You are lying and therefore should remain banned for cheating and then lying about it. |
Woflie_ |
Date sent: 2017/07/24 21:35:26
-Loki, if you actually look at where I was finding these ores they were in a location relative to a lava lake, the "pattern" I spoke about was more so a general placement of diamond ore around a source of lava, whether this is actually in the games code or not I'm not 100% sure but it works for me. Surely you cannot argue in the length of time you've been playing the game that you have not once used the sound of lava to locate the lakes?Thanks for your time -Woflie_ EDIT: Ok so Loki I did some research and while not in the game's code as such the various lakes of lava whilst actually hindering the amount of diamonds per vein they do actually make it easier to locate the ore due to revealing more blocks. - http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/minecraft-discussion/survival-mode/282931-optimizing-diamond-yield (just read that thread) SECOND EDIT: I'd also just like to take the time to ask why you felt the need to use language such as that, I'd understand If I was ranting about this topic. I am not I have approached this situation in a calm sophisticated manner and see no need for that on this thread. |
 Zedcall |
Date sent: 2017/07/24 22:06:40
That's a crock of shit as loki put it. Yes lava lakes reveal more blocks therefore increasing your chances of finding diamonds, but so do caves, and any other open spaces underground. And in no way what so ever, does this explain how you mined straight from diamond to diamond. |
Woflie_ |
Date sent: 2017/07/24 22:41:37
I'm not quite sure what you want me to say Zed, I've presented my case, if you want to believe that I'm a liar then fair enough we're all intitled to an opinion and you're just presenting yours, I respect that. I could just cut my losses, lie and tell you I was using a hack to see how far that would get me but frankly that's wrong and I can't convincing lie anyway so there would be no point. I want the community to believe me I really do and I can honestly say I am really sorry for taking up as much of all your time as I have you've all been very honest and I really do appreciate that, I hope to be able to come back to a wonderful (if not the best I have encountered) community in any online multiplayer game by far, but if that isn't the case then so be it. I have enjoyed every minute on the server and I will truely be sorry to go. Guilty or innocent think what you will but just remember, I have enjoyed everyone's company on here thank you all very much, those of you in perticular who listened to me and were there for me in a time when I really needed people around me, those of you who didn't know me or joined after I went on my break in an attempt to sort my life out, I'm sure we would've spoken in chat about something ridiculous and I would have made it my mission to put a smile on every one of your faces. Thank you all very much for your time and support -Woflie_ |
Presinus |
Date sent: 2017/07/25 04:12:31
If you can do a heavy amount of university-level math, there is a way to estimate the coordinates of the next diamond vein. The generation of ores is not *completely* random, unless Luigi is using a custom mod to make it act otherwise. |
Woflie_ |
Date sent: 2017/07/25 09:55:12
Ah, well that's reassuring at least. Thank you Presinus, I appreciate that. |
 Ruben |
Date sent: 2017/07/25 13:45:27
^ to do so, you would need to find MC's random generation's string seed, which I find very unlikely...I'm talking about the 'Random' seed, not the world seed. |
Woflie_ |
Date sent: 2017/07/25 16:08:26
Yeah Ruben I don't claim to be a math genius, far from it. I hate numbers XD. I more so meant just general mining habits etc but if the maths for a formula is there then great at least I know I'm not mad now XD Thanks -Woflie_ |
loki570023 |
Date sent: 2017/07/25 16:41:39
The reason I asked you that question is because I got curious about it last year and looked into it myself. While lava lakes do indeed reveal more blocks, they do not reveal as many as a cave. And your point about me listening for lava to find them? I listen to them to AVOID THEM as they hinder spawn rates and they are dangerous. You are far more likely to be successful in cave diving for diamonds than any other method, including strip mining/bedrock mining. The reason for this being that A. If I remember correctly, because spawn rates are shut due to the air blocks in a cave, they are more likely to spawn in the walls or near a cave to make up for this, whereas lava lakes HINDER spawn rates rather than help them due to similar spawning conditions (dont quote me on all that tho; cant remember it for sure) and B, it reveals far more area all at once than a single lava lake or strip mining ever will. Strip mining should be used as a last resort form of mining when all nearby caves are depleted or you cannot access them due to claimed land or other reasons. Oh, and uh...."-Loki, if you actually look at where I was finding these ores they were in a location relative to a lava lake, the "pattern" I spoke about was more so a general placement of diamond ore around a source of lava," So youve changed from "there is a pattern to the placement of diamonds" to what basically amounts to "I was just mining a circle around a lava lake, the same old trick EVERYONE knows." Except you werent doing that, based on every other staff comment here, you were mining directly from one diamond ore vein to another. And the "formula" you were referring to when ruben made his comment? Have you actually ever SEEN the kind of math that goes into games? Especially a random generation game like minecraft that goes on for quite a few million blocks? I would LOVE to see you plugging in this formula to find diamond. It would take you an hour to figure out just the general direction of a POSSIBLE vein spawn, much less the exact coords of of a confirmed spawn of diamond ore that you could go get nearby. Assuming that is, that its actually possible in the way you have been referring to. "I more so meant general mining habits" So by your own admission you werent using anything fancy, you were just being a generally good miner...mining directly from one vein to another. Dont get me wrong, on a good mining trip I can have a stack of diamonds in an hour and a half, 2 hours, if I have fortune 3. And thats if I get LUCKY. All this supposedly calm, logical reasoning, and assurances you werent lying or cheating. You know what? Good on you, for not having a fit and exploding all over our forums. But in the end this is still what I called it originally. A crock of shit. Come back when you either have real evidence of some kind, or are ready to own up to your shit. |
Ruben |
Date sent: 2017/07/25 16:56:48
^ true that, heck not even Minecraft's own developers would know where to search exactly lmao |
Woflie_ |
Date sent: 2017/07/25 17:05:15
Thanks Loki, I really do appreciate your honesty, it means a lot. I understand everyone's scepticism because as I said earlier in the thread you guys must get this a lot so after the [insert logical number of appeals here] it gets boring, I'm sure. If it was from one vein to another I can't remember, going on what various mods have said then ok but I'm certain that not every tunnel led to a find, yes from my own admission I wasn't plugging in any fancy maths to this (because quite frankly who has the time...) so obviously I just got lucky. I can't exactly remember how high my yield was in that mining session but again not even close to a stack as Vango said previously. If a mod wants to check I had I believe roughly 50 in a chest in my house maybe 20 were mined in that exact session. The remaining 30 I had gathered during my time at Proxima, before I left the server. (forgive me is the numbers are off, I genuinely cannot remember) Thanks for your continued time and I apologise for all of this, I appreciate this must get very taxing -Woflie_ |
Michael9999995 |
Date sent: 2017/07/26 10:33:57
Bump |
Woflie_ |
Date sent: 2017/07/26 21:26:33
Bump, again |
 thomasjones |
Date sent: 2017/07/26 22:19:26
+1 |
Woflie_ |
Date sent: 2017/07/26 23:17:09
Cheers Tom <3 |
Presinus |
Date sent: 2017/07/27 02:38:50
+1 You seem too friendly to perm ban. |
Woflie_ |
Date sent: 2017/07/27 06:31:43
Thank you Presinus <3 |
Woflie_ |
Date sent: 2017/07/27 16:10:34
bump |
 waffles388 |
Date sent: 2017/07/27 22:49:39
+1 You seem like a nice person. lol |
Woflie_ |
Date sent: 2017/07/28 10:41:51
Thank you Waffles <3 |
Pheo |
Date sent: 2017/07/28 10:54:36
I admire your determination and dedication to the community to try and come back to the server. Providing that you sort out your differences with staff regarding x-ray, I would like to see you back on the server. +1 |
Vango971 |
Date sent: 2017/07/28 11:05:38
I did not display my vote above, but after reading your arguments, its still -1. You have not admitted to xraying, just giving excuses that do not make sense. Until you admit to xray, I see no reason for you to be unbanned. |
Woflie_ |
Date sent: 2017/07/28 12:52:58
Thank you Pheo <3.And thanks for your honesty Vango, I really do appreciate it, I hope we can sort this out quickly as to not take up anymore of your time |
Woflie_ |
Date sent: 2017/07/29 00:38:04
Bump |
Zedcall |
Date sent: 2017/07/30 18:56:26
Unbanned. |
Woflie_ |
Date sent: 2017/07/30 21:41:20
Thank you Zed |
Michael9999995 |
Date sent: 2017/07/31 00:49:58
Yayyyyyy welcome back woflie! |
Presinus |
Date sent: 2017/07/31 02:59:12
Eyyy, welcome back! |
