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OfficalMinoi
Date sent: 2017/01/28 18:18:58
Go ahead and say I make complaints too much but this is a serious deal
I recently made a shop and I was only selling grass and diamonds. I have a stack of diamonds and I was selling them for 1.99 each, which is the cheapest on the server, I log on a couple days later and the chest is gone. So I went to investigate and apperently Jordan broke my chest and took the STACK of diamonds I was selling just because I was selling them for too cheap. And I have checked my balance, and it hasnt changed much. This is unjust and Jordan shouldnt be able to just take shit away cuz he thinks im selling them for too cheap.
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thomasjones
Date sent: 2017/01/28 18:20:12
It was to stop you from breaking the economy.
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OfficalMinoi
Date sent: 2017/01/28 18:20:50
Breaking the economy? So he can just take all my diamonds? Instead of giving them back to me he decides to fucking steal them from me?

BTW INCOMING RETARD MATT THINKS HE CAN ROAST ME
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thomasjones
Date sent: 2017/01/28 18:24:37
Also Apparently there was no Diamonds in the chests
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Matodir
Date sent: 2017/01/28 18:27:42
Minoi you disabled shit, I was going to defend you, now I won't. I even gave you my apologies in chat, god you suck. Anyway, I will still defend you.

Tom, minoi clearly didn't want them as he was selling them for 1.99, instead of giving them out for free, he did this. What the fuck would have free been if 1.99 is breaking the economy?
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thomasjones
Date sent: 2017/01/28 18:30:31
Because it would force every other shop to lower the price to stay competitive which would mean that diamonds would no longer be worth anything.
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Matodir
Date sent: 2017/01/28 18:34:58
No, don't be retarded, since his diamonds were only 1.99 people would've bought them in minutes. Minoi can't get infinite diamonds so when he runs out, price will go up. Please
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OfficalMinoi
Date sent: 2017/01/28 21:39:17
First of all, If there was no diamonds in the chest, Why has my balanced not gone up? There defintly was diamonds in the chest
Second, there is no stated rule about breaking the economy, nobody warned me, and you didnt even bother to tell me,
Third, breaking the economy because I lowered the price? Thats how economy works, there cant be a fixed price on everything, economies are competite, and I feel that I can sell whatever I want for how ever much I want
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Irk_Cipher
Date sent: 2017/01/30 15:06:04
Jordan shouldn't have done anything. He doesn't control the economy. It's not the admin's job to control the player economy.

Jordan should give the diamonds back and, more importantly, not break the server's rules by griefing and raiding Minoi using admin powers.
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Sparqy Back-up
Date sent: 2017/01/30 21:36:25
You should be able to sell what you want for however much you want. That's how the economy should work - but no.
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DreemurrTheDreamer
Date sent: 2017/01/31 05:16:17
^
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DreemurrTheDreamer
Date sent: 2017/01/31 05:16:47
apparently we have a bunch of mini-hitlers telling us what we can and can not do in our own shops.
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Matodir
Date sent: 2017/01/31 05:57:40
I am with minoi on this one tbh. It's his shop, his rules. Staff have no say on that. But nope, staff can't brag and show their power enough if they don't steal from players' stops too.
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Puff30826
Date sent: 2017/01/31 06:19:38
This is exactly what happened when ACe tried to sell his iron for $10 (Like everyone else was doing), but nope, apparently it's worth $200. Economies don't work like that. People can sell things for as much or as little as they want.
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Sparqy Back-up
Date sent: 2017/01/31 06:44:46
It's not like he has an infinite amount of diamonds at his disposal that he can sell and monopolize. He has an opportunity cost for down marking the prices on his goods - that is less money in the long run for the same amount of material.

Incentives matter kiddos - he gave a low price to attract buyers which could give him more money if he had more goods to sell than people selling at the median with average amounts of goods.

Are you guys trying to destroy the Webbcraft economy? When I first joined I could actually make profits off of a 36×36 potato farm. Now there's not even a shop which I can sell to and make profits because no one can actually make money in this economy.

You decided long ago to implement a "progressive tax" system which basically gives players an incentive not to work for money which means there'll be less shops and goods around people can barter with.

There's no longer a shop that the server distributes money to players who have goods in exchange - the current shop is shot to be plain. Players can't make any money because the players that want goods don't have money and the players who sell goods don't have any buyers because of it. Get rid of the tax system and make a shop that gives money out for working and selling goods that you produce.
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Sparqy Back-up
Date sent: 2017/01/31 06:46:46
You're literally destroying all incentive to mass produce goods and sell at an attractive price to lure buyers - for money. It would stimulate the economy, not ruin it!
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Sparqy Back-up
Date sent: 2017/01/31 06:48:35
Don't micromanage player's businesses'. That causes them to lose money and goods. Once government gets involved in the private sector, there no longer is a private sector to exchange goods.

I agree with dree. Don't be mini hitlers and control the economy. You won't do a good job at fixing what's already broken.
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NicNac
Date sent: 2017/01/31 07:45:30
(Removed, double post)
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NicNac
Date sent: 2017/01/31 07:45:31
This is why I've always suggested a server side shop. Maybe for nonrenewable things like ores. It could go alongside playershops, with the only downside being it would have an infinite amount of money. It's something I've wanted for a long time. Worst case scenario someone gets a lot of money and buys out people's shops, but that just gives people incentive to sell more.

Anyways I agree with minoi and dreemurr here. So what if he sells 64 Dia for $1 each. Eventually he will run out and won't have stock, and in turn no money. It really doesn't matter, and it doesn't destroy the non-existent economy.
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CaptainSpaceSheep
Date sent: 2017/01/31 09:55:29
You guys clearly don't see the issue here.

Ya'll are complaining about staff wrecking the economy with /i to sell heads, but when a player sells diamonds for 1.99 you think thats ok?

Irk_Cipher said: Jordan should give the diamonds back and, more importantly, not break the server's rules by griefing and raiding Minoi using admin powers.

Is minoi not breaking all of the rules in /rules by selling diamonds for so cheap?

I was absolutely certain that there were no diamonds in the chest because i checked twice. Minoi is also trying to break the economy again by asking for his diamonds "back" when there weren't any in the first place.

I'm not going to argue anymore because this is a pointless complaint about a player trying to get free diamonds.
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CaptainSpaceSheep
Date sent: 2017/01/31 10:00:30
When I can get on I'll give you some diamonds of my own if your that desperate.
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Matodir
Date sent: 2017/01/31 12:50:26
I do not believe that that weren't any diamonds in the shop, that's one.

Secondly, "Is minoi not breaking all of the rules in /rules by selling diamonds for so cheap?". Bullshit in any way you see it Jordan. No rule states that you can't sell cheap diamonds. Rules are against hacking, swearing and name change, minoi did none of that. Bullshit again.

You say minoi destroys the economy, when luigi removed the bloody server shop, implemented taxes, votes give 50 not 100, 2 votes don't work. The economy is totally raped man, there is nothing left to destroy.

Lastly, ages ago when there was a shop and luigi didn't yet add taxes to as the master EcoFucker, I had about 500k money. That's not destroying economy, I still had a shop and I didn't hoard shops. Say someone told stone and I have 500k money, why the shit would I buy 30 stocks of stone cause I could?
I also didn't go around giving 10k's to people, except for maybe 1k here and there to ellie at that time. But nothing else.

If someone destroyed the economy it's luigi and you staff that thought that economy in a game where people fly and break logs with their fists should be like in real life.

I believe when it comes to economy staff are never ever right.
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Irk_Cipher
Date sent: 2017/01/31 16:10:53
No, Captain, he's not breaking any rules. There is no rule against selling things for a low price. This right here is why I've stopped using Economy currency and do all my dealing in death and iron. There's too much bullshit to get involved in if you touch money.
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Irk_Cipher
Date sent: 2017/01/31 16:18:57
By Space's logic, every time there is a sale or clearance section in a store, the economy would be ruined forever.


But it isn't.
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Loud
Date sent: 2017/01/31 16:25:24
God knows me and minoi are... how should I say it? not friends. But he has a point here. and here are 3 reasons why:
1. There is no rule against what he did
2. You can't "break the economy" since it has been broken since day 1
3. If you would just let him sell the diamonds, someone would get a very cheap stack of diamonds, and then the economy would go back to "normal" AKA where it was at which was already ruined...
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belgnbor
Date sent: 2017/01/31 16:34:42
Minoi has not been the only one selling cheap diamonds, people get a stash and want to get rid of them they can sell them for whatever they want, once there gone there gone and people go after the next lot of cheap diamonds, why are diamonds so precious anyway. The thing with Ace and the Iron was he had a golem spawner which spits out infinite iron giving him a massive advantage over those drudging it up from below or having to build an iron farm. Diamonds have to be gotten the hard way. Other items are sold for varying prices and people still sell out. Staff should still not destroy peoples shop items because they don't agree with something until it has been discussed at length. Problem here is each staff member has different rules and they can't agree on anything and they all think they are right. I do appreciate staff but on the other hand they are unpredictable.
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Sparqy
Date sent: 2017/02/01 02:51:16
So a player sells a finite amount of diamonds for a very low price and you seize his diamonds because it broke your non-existent economy.

Players selling things grows the economy. In what world does an economy boom without businesses doing what they want without the government breathing down their neck at every move they make? (With fair representation and regulation of course).
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Beetley
Date sent: 2017/02/01 05:36:45
"The reason the server shop prices are so high, is to encourage players to make their own shops." - Luigi.

But when players do this, their stuff get's removed for ruining the already ruined economy.

I had the same problem one time. (My shop was going to be removed eventually anyway, because I was selling spawned in emeralds). I made my shop prices really low. A staff came to my shop, and got really mad about my price choices. My gear was taken, and my land was cleared.
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CaptainSpaceSheep
Date sent: 2017/02/01 09:20:51
Actually matt, if you typed /rules you would see that those rules arent about hacking and griefing, they are about being ethical and using common sense. I'd say its common sense not to wreck the economy even more than it is already

I don't get why I'm the villain here, when, like beetley said, staff have been doing it for years.

I'm going to apologise and give you my regards because you deserve that like any person.
Sorry, minoi.
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Matodir
Date sent: 2017/02/01 11:14:04
In my eyes, common sense is selling things for low prices to get money. Maybe if someone went to his shop and saw cheap diamonds, he'd consider buying something else from that shop. That's common sense.
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IAmSavannah
Date sent: 2017/02/01 15:32:25
I'm certain there were no diamonds in the shop anyways. I tried to buy some but they were out of stock and minoi hadn't been on in over a day. Also, he set them at an incredibly low price. That's not against the rules. Also, minoi wouldn't have seen his balance go up because they were priced so low. They were most likely sold out before he even left the server after making the shop. There was no diamonds in there and I think minoi is just saying there was so he can get extra diamonds tbh
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NicNac
Date sent: 2017/02/01 16:06:54
^
186 can look like 176 from a distance if you don't look hard enough.
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madzahttr
Date sent: 2017/02/02 04:32:56
someone please ban this little retard and block /unban Minoi
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Matodir
Date sent: 2017/02/02 06:08:40
I agree with madz here

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