#DramaAlert - Donating is a scam! The staff are assholes! Asriel!

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HotPikachuSex	Date sent: 2016/10/26 06:45:29 This post is much more serious than most of my others. *I don't give a shit about losing my rank, just the way you cunts go about it is annoying me.* This "donation" shit is really starting to piss me off. People paid money, no one in their right mind is going to donate for the sole purpose of helping a shitty server like this. Yes, I was brave enough to call this server shitty. It is, compared to other servers like plex, and hypix this server is just the shit on the floor. Anywho, this donation thing is bullshit. You're buying the rank, you're not funding a charity. Change the rules on name changes , is it really that hard to check iP's and UUID's? No, it isn't. Players have every right to change their name, you're not above them, you can't tell us what to do. Also, you're allowed to take our shit away after six months? Nah fam. That shit is just wrong. If I "donate" and get the rank and perks, decide I want to change my name, you have no right to remove my rank and stuff that I paid for with my own cash. If I buy a.. I don't know a fucking rare dildo, and then change my name to "Peter Bread" it wouldn't be right for someone to be able to take my dildo away just because I "wasn't the person who paid for it" Also, "donating" is a scam, you're buying perks, and even though you've been a "good boy" and not changed your name, the cunty staff still think that they can take your stuff away just because they believe that this command shouldn't be used. Next topic: The staff Right now we have three or four good staff members, Spyro, Tom, Chip (sometimes) and ACe. Congrats guys, you don't have to read this part, because you're really good staff and I fuckin' love you all. Anywho, the staff punish way to harshly, and rarely backup claims they make against players. They also act like they are above us peasants, or normal players. They're not, they're not superior, fuckin' Luigi is not superior. He is a player, sure he owns the server but he has no fuckin' right to tell me what to do. If I say shit or do some tits in chat, I get muted or screamed at by our asshole staff. The staff are bias, they hold grudges, they say they don't but they do. They're sensitive ass bastards who want this server run by five year olds. Next topic: Asriel Asriel, I'm not complaining about you, this is about "the Asriel case" as I would like to call it. Although Asriel is nasty at times, he's actually a decent guy who brings up good points (why this staff is a cunt, why this shouldn't happen). You staff punished Asriel for disliking you, and for ruining this extremely competitive and important game of minecraft :o Having a player minimap will not give Asriel and advantage in any way, all it will do is show him that someone is nearby, and will assist him in finding new land. XRay, who gives a shit? Omg he's digging up diamonds he definitely has XRay. Who cares if someone has XRay? "Oh but nubs won't get anything" fuck the noobs, it's their fault for joining later than whoever got their first. And that brings us to it, ladies and gentlemen if you love DramaAlert don't forget to slap a like on it because it really does help.
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/10/26 06:49:04 lol. the funny thing is, i don't use xray, and i still have plenty of diamonds. the funny thing is, i give them to people instead of hogging them for myself. so am i being punished for giving the whole server an unfair advantage against me?
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/10/26 06:49:37
Harvey	Date sent: 2016/10/26 09:30:36 Ive been saying this for months Lets start with crucifying ellie
Guiness4	Date sent: 2016/10/26 10:41:13 bring back hanging for 11 year olds and autistic people!
Ruben	Date sent: 2016/10/26 10:42:16 "Luigi is not superior. He is a player, sure he owns the server but he has no fuckin' right to tell me what to do." Actually he does, it's his server, you play under its rules, that's it. If you choose not to follow them then that's another thing. About the rest, there are some stuff that I agree with, but some other that meh... not even worthy of discussion.
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/10/26 11:19:05 well, even though ellie can be abusive as a staff, and immature (like anybody below the age of 12, and chip), she isn't as bad as many people make her look.
Matodir	Date sent: 2016/10/26 13:03:07 ^, and fuck, you fucking nailed it with this post Beetle. Thing is, all our staff are too young, immature or young and immature to accept the bare reality that the server is going down to shit with all the 5 year olds as staff. So basically, rip webb in advance.
Xario1	Date sent: 2016/10/26 17:25:02 I don't always agree with Beetle, but when I do, he is usually right. You have a lot of valid points Beetle. Especially how the server does suck, even though it has a decent community. As well as the fact that Luigi is not as responsible of an owner as he could be. Staff unfortunately have a hard time being objective, likely because they are so young that they have not learned or practiced objectivity much. And last but not least, you are right that they should not have banned Asriel. When it comes to diamonds, players don't actually need very many as long as they have mending and an xp grinder. You know, at one point I started to get so tired of how Luigi runs the server, that I thought of starting my own server. I mean I have started one earlier this year, but it was going to be a private server for my friends, but unfortunately they don't even want to play Minecraft anymore. So, I do have the experience and know how to be able to start one. Anyway, I had thought about making a server just like Webbcraft, but unfortunately some things got in the way, like moving and expenses and such. I do however plan to eventually start a server, even though it may not be until at least next year. But when I do, you bet it's going to be awesome. Of course, I won't be advertising it on this server, but when it is up, people will know.
elliedlm	Date sent: 2016/10/26 18:20:47 Most people say I'm a bad staff member but if thats so then please tell me how to improve
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/10/26 21:06:24 grow up
Matodir	Date sent: 2016/10/26 21:07:31 ^ you won't listen anyways, you'll improve, very slowly, but you'll improve on your own, maybe. I still like staff like eddie, armz and chip though, those are staff. EDIT, this is meant for ellie, lmao asriel we posted in the same minute.
elliedlm	Date sent: 2016/10/26 21:58:50 Dreemurr i am growing up xD So I've already improved in that factor. And Matt i will listen
HotPikachuSex	Date sent: 2016/10/26 22:08:55 @Ruben - Nah, he might own the server, but he ain't my boss. If I wanna bring my friends onto another server, or build colourful cocks I will. @Ellie - Ya won't listen. We've tried to help you. I like you, you're a nice person, but I don't like how you staff kbye
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2016/10/27 00:55:43 How many times do I have to say this? Donating is a donation because that is what it is advertised as. If you can't accept that fact, don't donate. The payment is processed as a donation, so that is what is it, no matter what you think it might be, and no matter whatever ranks or permissions you get afterwards or not. If you think the server is not a worthy enough cause to contribute money towards helping with the upkeep, that's perfectly fine, no one is forcing you to donate. I don't even like encouraging people to donate because of this very reason. It is their decision. If you don't agree with the rules on the server, don't play on it. The rules are there to help keep the server fun and safe for everyone and to make sure everyone has an enjoyable experience, by removing and punishing players who ruin that experience. I'm always open to modifying the rules if there is undesirable behaviour that needs to be addressed, however the current rules cover pretty much everything and most of them are common sense really. If you want to swear or be overly sexual in chat, go to an adult chatroom, not a family friendly server that children play on. In fact, that brings me to my next point: child staff can sometimes better ascertain what kind of behaviour isn't acceptable in the presence of children. I'm sick and tired of people complaining about children on the server when Minecraft is game for children. If you can't accept this and act maturely about it, don't play multiplayer. It's truly ironic that some of the people promoting "maturity" are actually very immature and continuously break the rules, then cry about it on the forum and claim the staff are abusive. With regards to Asriel and using xray, it is against the rules because it is cheating, gives him an unfair advantage and ruins the challenge of obtaining diamonds legitimately. When these diamonds are distributed to others it ruins their survival experience too. Like you said, it also reduces the amount of diamonds able to be legitimately found by other players. I don't know if he actually used xray and I haven't had time to review his appeal yet, so I would rather leave it up to other staff members who are more familiar with the incident.
HotPikachuSex	Date sent: 2016/10/27 01:29:18 Luigi, that was a very weak way of defending yourself. You don't like to encourage people to donate, that's a good thing. And those few who decide to contribute to the servers upkeep get stomped on. Their shit get's taken. "It's a donation because that's what it's advertised as" Weak. Advertise it as a purchase. Problem solved. I've always been told "never trust anything that says donate" all this server has taught me is that that's true. Do you really think you'd get all these donations without the reward? No. Scamming people by taking their shit is a scam. Everybody knows you're buying the rank, not helping a little server. I'd rather donate to children in need. That's the way most people should think. You're gonna help a shit game of minecraft or some children who genuinely need help? Rules Oh I respect the rules, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that people take the signs outside a little hut way too seriously. The server isn't safe. Every fuckin' staff member has access to player Ip's. I don't want to swear excessively, or make too many sexual comments. Big tits. What I'm talking about in the complaint is the staff thinking they can boss me around, and not reading the word "excessive" in the rule board. Child staff are not ready to make the decisions needed to be made as moderator. When you're a kid, rather than wanting to help out, all you want is power. Kids are powerhungey cockwhores. I know the game was made for kids and I have no issue with kids playing. My issue is where they get given power, access to Ip's, my private fuckin' life. They have access to ban for anything, they make dumb rules. I promote maturity, and I'm mature only when I need to be. We claim the staff are abusive. Are you too blind or challenged to look at our evidence, or the logs? Or do you just believe whatever your loyal dogs tell you? Who gives a shit if someone is cheating in minecraft? You make this shit so fuckin' competitive. It ruins the challenege? Maybe he doesn't want to be challenged? He said he gives out the diamonds, which hardly gives him advantage. When others get diamonds they are thankful, when did you see someone crying over being given a diamond? If they want more they can go and find more. Yeah, you leave it up to the shit staff, as you do.
Xario1	Date sent: 2016/10/27 02:50:56 That part that you said about going to an adult chat room was well said Luigi, but when it comes to having children staff, the biggest problem is not the rules themselves, but how they are enforced. On example of bad staffing is when BlueRoon had griefs over 1000 blocks, and while he was banned, he was also unbanned. I have never seen or heard of any other players getting unbanned on this server after greifing other than him. That and also BlueRoon was not punished for having an iron golem farm but Ace was? That was BS. And most importantly saying that Minecraft is a "kids game" is the poorest excuse for why you have an almost all-child staff. Last I knew, Minecraft is a game for people of all ages. Video games don't have age ceilings. You don't get told by mojang: "you're too old to play this game" once you turn a certain age. You are just very bad at attracting players of the older ages. I assure you they are out there, they are just not on Webbcraft, with a few players being the exception, such as myself. The two biggest reasons why Webbcraft fails to attract older players is because most of them dislike playing on servers that have immature children players, that and more importantly older players won't play on servers that are poorly ran and maintained. Which is the biggest issue I have with this server.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2016/10/27 05:16:52 This server isn't a business, and I'm not going to make it one by advertising the ranks as a purchase. I'm not in this for profit. "Do you really think you'd get all these donations without the reward?" Yes, I do, because I expect people understand what "donation" means. We didn't always have donation ranks on the server. I wasn't even the one to introduce donations. When Madkittykat made the old website, he included a lone paypal donation button with my email in it. I never thought anyone would actually donate, but to my surprise, after a month or so, someone actually did! I was overcome with the dilema of how to express my extreme gratitude towards them and somehow make it seem worthwhile. That night I made the VIP+ rank for them. Over the next few months, more and more people donated, and I was compelled to make the builder rank obtainable by donation. The Donator+ rank was another rank I created when someone decided to donate £20. That is why the currencies are different, because I didn't choose them, the people who originally decided to donate did. They had no indication they would recieve anything and the ranks were only created for them afterwards. Eventually people wanted to know what permissions they got and I was tired of telling each individual person, so I put up a rough list on the website. Beetle, like I said, if people want to donate to the server then it's their choice. Helping keep the server up for children in need of fun and enjoyment might be a valid reason for some people. Staff have access to player IPs to keep the server safe from malicious players attempting to bypass ban. IPs are necessary for connection to the server to occur, they are visible by the staff of any website or organisation running a server on the internet, so I don't understand what your concern there is. I don't consider an IP address personal information because they aren't a unique identifier for people and most people have a dynamic IP anyway which changes every so often. If you break the rules, then staff have the right to warn you or punish you. What "excessive" is is determined by who is online at the time, and if the staff online think it is excessive, or other players report it to them, then it is excessive. I think the only one here with a superiority complex is you. You can't respect the fact that people can spend their money how they want and donate to the server if they wish. You can't speak for everyone. You also seem to think that whatever you think is excessive determines the rules without taking into account everyone else's opinion. Just because you might have been a powerhungry child, doesn't mean everyone else was. I haven't seen an ounce of evidence pertaining to actual unresolved staff abuse on here. Maybe you should have linked some in the original post instead of just making baseless accusations. Beetle, whether you like it or not, a lot of people play games to challenge themselves and have fun. Cheating ruins the experience for players who want to play legitimately. If you want to cheat, play singleplayer where it doesn't affect anyone else. --------- With regards to Xario's comments, I think the reason BlueRoon may have griefed that much was because his account was compromised and he had been banned for several months anyway. People have been unbanned before even for griefing that much (albeit after months or years) because people change and everyone deserves a second chance. If I had known BlueRoon was selling iron for such a low price I would have told him to increase it as well. What I meant when I said minecraft was a "kids game" was that the majority of players in the minecraft community are children, not that the game was designed for people of a specific age. What I was referring to is that older players in an environment of younger players shouldn't criticise them for being immature when they themselves are setting a bad example by not acting very maturely. Younger players deserve the same amount of respect as anyone else. Just because some staff members may not be over 18 doesn't mean they are incapable of making decisions or telling right from wrong, it depends on the individual.
Techy	Date sent: 2016/10/27 07:35:52 Thank you Luigi.
Harvey	Date sent: 2016/10/27 10:25:38 Daniel are you part toilet because you full of shit
Matodir	Date sent: 2016/10/27 12:55:32 ^
Xario1	Date sent: 2016/10/27 15:11:43 That was a very interesting story about the donations Luigi. You do have a good point, perms are a perk, not a right. Also, when it comes to respecting staff members, you are right, they should be respected regardless of what age they are, and they should also be treated with care, as they are still learning, since they are so young. What I mean by this is that they should be given constructive criticism, and not yelled at or called names just because a player might not like one of them. Unfortunately this is the problem with child players is that they are usually more immature than the staff who are also children, so of course some of them are going to be mean and call them names :\
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/10/27 15:29:31 ^ i agree, but some staff are just TOO young to understand what's right and what's wrong. I think there should be an age minimum anywhere from like 13-15, because at that age, kids are starting to learn a little more common sense.
Matodir	Date sent: 2016/10/27 16:02:29 ^, Xario and Asriel nailed the reality that's actually happening here, but obviously, it's all in vain, as luigi gives a fuck about what we say.
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/10/27 18:17:42 luigi can be a bad server owner at some times, but compared to chip, he's a god. #MakeWebbcraftGreatAgain
Xario1	Date sent: 2016/10/28 03:45:58 You do have a good point, Asriel, about that there should be an age limit. Unfortunately the biggest problem with an age limit on staff would likely be that there might not be enough mature older players to be staff, becuase trust me, there are plenty of immature players from 13 or over that play on this server. Unfortunately to the point to where some of the 10 year olds are more mature than some of the teenagers that play on this server. I think the bigger problem is that there just aren't enough players older than 16 that play on this server that would be interested in becoming staff members. Partially becuase there just aren't enough older players, and partially becuase those of us who are older either just aren't interested in being staff, or just don't have time. I thought about applying to be a mod, but the only thing that I really have to consider is how much time that I will have for it, cuase I don't want to waste everyone's time by applying if I can't even be on long enough to actually help people often.
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/10/28 04:12:20 maybe if this server wasn't as corrupt as it has become, i would have thought about maybe staying on this server long enough to be known by everyone. the first time i logged on to the server was decemberish of 2014, and not many of the players then play now. about the age shit, the only reason these children apply for staff is power. they see that staff on a server have the power to do almost anything to a normal player, so they lie, apply, then usually abuse people. in the case of this server, a lot of the staff (aged from chip to 14,) use their powers against the players that seem to piss them off, instead of punishing them accordingly to what they did to deserve such ban. i don't mean to throw ellie in to this, but there are quite a few examples of people being unfairly punished by her. like i said, i don't mean to throw ellie under the bus. there are some times where she can be helpful and mature, but anybody who does such things deserves to be demoted.
NicHasATummyAche	Date sent: 2016/10/28 04:15:19 OK so let me get this straight. Let's say I buy a mattress, but it's just a mattress. So I think "hey, I want some blankets for my mattress, and I look at the blankets for my mattress, and they have 3 deals. A blanket, a blanket and a pillow, or a blanket and two pillows. The catch though, is that these blankets and pillows aren't purchaces, they're donations. So I decide "you know what I'll buy the double pillow and blanket deal, but instead I get a small blanket and a tiny pillow. Not the normal sized blanket and two big pillows. I'm confused and a tad mad because I was advertised 2 pillows and a blanket. And then on top of that, I'd I decide to change the sheet of my mattress I get my blanket and pillow taken away? I dunno. I get it if that's how you wanna roll, but at least put a bigger disclaimer or something.
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/10/28 04:16:59 i would fuck a mattress
NicHasATummyAche	Date sent: 2016/10/28 04:21:14 .-.
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/10/28 04:25:05 .-.
TheYarrowRex	Date sent: 2016/11/02 03:40:18 .-.
ckvoss	Date sent: 2016/11/02 18:30:47 "13-15 age minimum because they learn common sense" *Points at Jordan* Point proven
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/11/03 02:16:33 .-.
Kerochii64	Date sent: 2016/11/07 09:49:14 This is why I quit. I'm fucking tired of the server's bullshit. I know I very rarely pop in to say hi, or still stalk the forums, but that is because there are some aspects of the community I enjoy. I, however, no longer play as normal. My faction is dead. All, what, 7(?) members of my faction have quit. One being a Donator+ who just gave up after learning her hard work was gone AND she wouldn't have the privileges she PAID for. I say paid, because ain't nobody gonna look at this shit like a donation, and we all know this. NOBODY 👏 GIVES 👏 A 👏 FUCK 👏 ABOUT 👏 DONATING 👏 UNLESS 👏 THEY 👏 GET 👏 SOMETHING 👏 OUT 👏 OF 👏 IT 👏 OKAY We had on our old network our Buycraft, ight, and we had the ranks, and a page. JUST. FOR. DONATIONS. Only ranks were bought. Seriously, if you can't keep things (like plugins, UUID support, quicker donor rank applications etc) up to date here, make things easier for overseas players (such as more currency options for goodness sake), aren't willing to push past your naivety and thinking everything's fine and aren't willing to keep server opinions smooth and REALISTIC, it's going to go down the shitter. But pfft, what do I know? This server is still alive, barely. I tried, and my time is done.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2016/11/07 12:28:49 There are more currency options, I will accept any currency people want to send me through paypal. I even made an Australian dollar donation page a while ago for someone who asked me: http://webbcraft.co.uk/donate_AUD.php. The only problem is that after a while the exchange rate becomes out of date.
Matodir	Date sent: 2016/11/07 14:18:43 Luigi, no offence, but you have to stop this dumb "donation" concept. I can assure you that NO ONE donates for nothing, true they 'donate', buy they donate so they get something in return, even if the page says 'donate' or 'purchase'. If you really want to go down this road, where you just take perms from people just because you think they 'donated' and so they expect nothing in return, bye bye, because no one will donate.
Kerochii64	Date sent: 2016/11/07 20:18:33 #Buycraft 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
Tyran68	Date sent: 2016/11/12 02:43:13 I did offer at one point to come back and help. I do regret abusing the power I had left over from Co owner. I have always said that the server was going downhill mainly due to Luigi's inactivity and inability to sometimes keep people perma banned
XxDJAssasinxX	Date sent: 2016/11/20 01:09:06 I agree ALOT. its just my opinion tho ;3
Harvey	Date sent: 2016/11/21 09:54:37 Luigi's inactivity and inability to sometimes keep people perma banned He should keep you perma banned dickhead
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/11/21 11:04:20 he should keep you perm banned if anything
Lumberjack1541	Date sent: 2016/11/21 14:28:37 @luigiofthebakery Sorry man, but please don't say bullshit things - I'll need to call you out for that. You most likely KNOW that people are donating - you know what I'm not even going to call it donating, because thats just what we're not doing - buying ranks is for getting the perks. I wouldn't give 2 fucks if you just said ''Hey, can you donate 15$? Its for the server's sustainability!'' unless you included some type of perks. But you know what you absolutely CANNOT do? Change the advertised perks. You absolutely cannot backstab the people that are giving money to you for the server by changing the perks. Its not ETHICAL, Its not good for BUSINESS (even though this isn't a business as you claim, It still involves money for the upkeep of the server), Its not good for anything. What you're doing is stealing people's money for the server under the name of donations for the server. Even if it is for the server, Its not acceptable since we wouldn't donate if we knew we didn't receive the perks. You shouldn't stay sinned forever. Be ethical, then come debate. I don't know how you're supposed to debate with kids in the internet, but if you want to, fix this shit first. Please consider this from a person who's had enough shit with wrong labels.
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2016/11/21 19:18:08 This is why I suggest a secondary world for creative... so much easier than all of this drama.
thomasjones	Date sent: 2016/11/21 19:25:32 +1 For a second world for creative
XXDiamondGeezer	Date sent: 2016/11/21 19:37:28 Hey, I'm back. None of you care, cool. In reality, if you donate $20 £20 whatever, but you know that this shit may happen, why? Some people don't have common sense, if you don't follow the rules, leave. I know some rules are bullshit but you're not forced to be here, I changed my name and left. It really can piss you off, but do you trust a shitty server? In my opinion, everything you find bad, try to fix them, if you can't, just simply leave. It's not even donating, put it like this. 'Hey, donate 20 and I'll give you some cool perks but I may take them away because I just want your money for our server "stability". 'Thanks for donating to keep my shitty server alive for another minute!' How much money has Luigi actually made from donating? I'm guessing quite a lot! Just appreciate everyone. Shitty staff you will not fix, if you do people rant and leave, but Luigi takes that as a bad thing, but it's good. Luigi, face it, it's dead.
Matodir	Date sent: 2016/11/22 16:28:46 I know luigi isn't stupid, and I hope that I'm right when I say that deep down he knows he's not in the right. Although he can't say he is wrong, or else he will get hate for being wrong. Luigi, I admire the fact that you want people to donate just to keep the server running, I like it that you want people to donate just for the fact that they love the server, but in reality me and you both know that no one donates just because they like the server only. I mean true if this was a shit server I still wouldn't donate, so liking the server is a factor that makes people donate, but it could also be the best in the world, because if I won't get anything for donating, I will not donate. Another thing luigi, you strictly can NOT advertise things that people can get if they donate but they don't actually get it if they do donate, that is precisely a scam. I'm being honest here, but if someone reports you to the minecraft EULA (or whatever you call it) for advertising false things on the donation page, it won't be pretty brother. Now I know I typed this huge essay for nothing, but at least I said something that actually makes sense.
Matodir	Date sent: 2016/11/22 16:33:46 By the way luigi, I did not threathen or hate on you in this post. I just wanted to point something out.
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/11/22 19:08:59 luigiscounterargument.exe is not responding
Matodir	Date sent: 2016/11/22 21:42:29 Lol Asriel I doubt he even has a counter argument that can beat mine, I mean, the truth stings doesn't it.
Aouldrain	Date sent: 2017/10/16 08:47:28 dammit
Presinus	Date sent: 2017/10/16 11:59:05 Lol, a topic meant to have died ages ago bumped by some spammer trying to leave a porn link. Why does this world even exist anymore?
CaptainSpaceSheep	Date sent: 2017/10/20 23:52:10 I donated for the server to support it. Especially without gmc there isn’t much of a reason to “buy” a rank except supporting the server

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